2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[ollandos]

Hey @ollandos, you are many many miles wrong, 90% of your sentences are completely wrong. F1 is a very very good investment for a car producer, and if merc, Ferrari, Renault are in, it means that's the best way to use their money. They would be putting their money elsewhere if that means more comeback for their businnes.
"Honda if it's the last or first is pretty much the same".. No need to commentate such idiocy..
"A work team cost a lot, and the reward is A LOT MORE than the costs". McLaren gained a lot with their P1 derived directly from their f1 cars.
Do you have an idea how much Mercedes, red bull and ferrari and McLaren gained from their success in f1? More than you can imagine.
Sorry, but I hate reading bullshit on a technical forum

yeah? where is all others? the biggest car companys? vw group? toyota? ford? bmw ? they dont want to hear about f1 ...only renault have work team again after quit and mercedes for 1st time 5 years now ...ferrari its special category ..honda-toyota-bmw left with no new entry for years and only honda come back .a work team need 500milions ..this companys with 500m thay can sell 1m cars ..where is the bullshit ?.. mclaren ferrari and red bull its not in this category ferrari and mclaren making f1 for the road not a car ..its the same laferrari and p1 and ford focus? or toyota auris? you think porsche or lambo its down of them?...it is other story company arround f1 with f1 products and other story is car companys..

[Singabule]

Absolutely True, however it is purely Manseur Ojjeh call, and that is a big gamble one! Imagine honda gamble with exact layout as Mercedes and maybe didnt pay off untill first races and maybe half a season. Mclaren maybe didnt paid off half a decade or Just bankrupt! A russian roulette! =D>

[toraabe]

Mercedes used 1 Year just to get the turbo layout to be reliable. They began in 2008 with the initial design of the pu106 series. 6 years before it's debut in Melbourne..

[HPD]

I think mclaren is very dramatic .....

“Obviously the problems we had in Barcelona limited our track time and put added pressure on our pre-season preparations, however, we were still able to generate a huge amount of useful data – as was McLaren,” Hasegawa added.

“Also, we were not dealing with lots of different problems, despite how it looked from the outside.

“Already while in Barcelona we were able to introduce some countermeasures and we proved the effectiveness of these during test two.

“In terms of performance, there is room for improvement with mapping before Melbourne in order to have better driveability.

“And at the same time we will continue to work on our development to generate more power from the PU.”

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hond ... f1-883423/

[Singabule]

I think mclaren is very dramatic .....

“Obviously the problems we had in Barcelona limited our track time and put added pressure on our pre-season preparations, however, we were still able to generate a huge amount of useful data – as was McLaren,” Hasegawa added.

“Also, we were not dealing with lots of different problems, despite how it looked from the outside.

“Already while in Barcelona we were able to introduce some countermeasures and we proved the effectiveness of these during test two.

“In terms of performance, there is room for improvement with mapping before Melbourne in order to have better driveability.

“And at the same time we will continue to work on our development to generate more power from the PU.”

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hond ... f1-883423/

So where the smoke Come from? Mr. B!

[Andres125sx]

if the season is a repeat of 2015 mclaren is on critical corner...

2017 was Honda´s chance and they have failed miserably.

They have literally no excuses as to why they failed this time, no token system to hold them back and 2 years worth of real track data to build on.

The result is an engine that rivals that 'thing' they threw together in 2015.

Sorry guys but I find it amazing how some of you keep comparing 2017 with 2015...

Did you realize in 2015 they couldn´t solve their problems due to the tokens restrictions but there´re no restriction in 2017?

Did you realize 2017 season didn´t start yet?

Did you realize they never targeted a title fight this season and that´s the reason they went for a radical design even if that means several reliability problems at the beginning?

Did you realize they can bring 3 (or 4 if you consider Melbourne spec as a new one) completely new PUs this season even without any penalty?

Did you realize even if that´s not enough they can bring some more completely new PUs if they assume the penalties?


2017 can´t be compared with any previous season of this project. And saying 2017 has been a fail again does ignore McHonda target for this season, as well as the freedom to solve all their problems with huge PU changes if they need to.

Winter tests have been frustrating, that´s obvious. But those were only winter tests and they have never needed a competitive car from first GP. To match their target they need a competitive car at LAST GP, to then be able to fight for something next season, but there´re still 20 GPs and at least 4 upgraded PUs before we can state 2017 have been a fail

[Chicane]

They may have introduced counter measures for the problem faced by Vandoorne on day 2 but have they got on top of the electrical gremlins plaguing them during test 2?

[zac510]

Back onto a more team-based topic; Is this orange and black livery the race livery or was it for testing only?

[diffuser]

They may have introduced counter measures for the problem faced by Vandoorne on day 2 but have they got on top of the electrical gremlins plaguing them during test 2?

I think they have but I believe it was said that there wasn't a quick fix. It would be fixed by Australia.

[GoranF1]

What is"clever idea" Eric Boulier talked about at the launch? Maybe due to testing problem they didnt even tryed it, maybe they will in AUS.

[torpor]

Back onto a more team-based topic; Is this orange and black livery the race livery or was it for testing only?

I fear that they are really serious...

[zac510]

I understand your fear.

[dren]

The last time this team won a constructor's championship was 19 years ago. It was with Mercedes, but it only happened once with Mercedes. The team managed a 5th place finish in the championship with the dominant Mercedes PU. Williams beat them with the same PU! Last season, with the Honda PU, they managed 6th. Red Bull won races and podiums with the marginally better Renault PU.

Honda is trying to make big gains to pass Mercedes. Will they succeed? I don't know, but I do expect them to improve the PU massively through the year.

[Alonso Fan]

The last time this team won a constructor's championship was 19 years ago. It was with Mercedes, but it only happened once with Mercedes. The team managed a 5th place finish in the championship with the dominant Mercedes PU. Williams beat them with the same PU! Last season, with the Honda PU, they managed 6th. Red Bull won races and podiums with the marginally better Renault PU.

Honda is trying to make big gains to pass Mercedes. Will they succeed? I don't know, but I do expect them to improve the PU massively through the year.

You mentioned so many things in the first part of your post that it's very hard to decipher what your point is

I too hope that Honda can extract the full potential of this engine sooner rather than later.

[dren]

My point is the team isn't going to magically win a championship with a different PU.

Honda will get there.