Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[GhostF1]

Honda have always maintained the same position and said this power unit was more powerful and had more potential than any previous iteration. That was made further concrete by Hasegawa's most recent comments in his complete and utter faith in this engine with every technology they wanted added, and paired with their planned aggressive development, it should be fruitful throughout the season and he was proud of what they created, this gives me great hope. So it's a bit rough to say "make up your mind".
He did however comment that the rival increase at pre season was surprising compared to their predictions. That isn't to say they are concerned for their position but it does affect their assumption of position. I have no doubt they believed they probably would of shown obvious signs of jumping in front of Renault at preseason but that hasn't happened because of gremlins held back any shows of pace. But like it has been mentioned a thousand times, we'll see the first full pace runs by qualifying. That will be the teller for initial positions at season start. From their it will be a development race.

[dren]

so during testing he said power deficit is "scary" and "we may have fallen fruther back" and now he says PU has more power than last years.....he should make up his mind already...

It's entirely possible Honda made power gains over last season, but everyone else made larger gains.

[harjan]

We can be positive whatever we want but McLaren is steering towards a split; https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... re-884671/

EB states clearly what some of us have said for years- you can't build a competitive engine from Japan. And since EB knows perfectly well that Honda isn't going to move their operation and spend the kind of money you need to spend in Europe to get things done- this is more pressure to get Honda to blink first.

[aral]

EB states clearly what some of us have said for years- you can't build a competitive engine from Japan.

Well, he musnt know much about f1 history then! Honda seem to have managed pretty well before.

[makecry]

We can be positive whatever we want but McLaren is steering towards a split; https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... re-884671/

EB states clearly what some of us have said for years- you can't build a competitive engine from Japan. And since EB knows perfectly well that Honda isn't going to move their operation and spend the kind of money you need to spend in Europe to get things done- this is more pressure to get Honda to blink first.

this is not new. This is just a re-hash of sorts from what EB said last week.

[ziggy]

EB states clearly what some of us have said for years- you can't build a competitive engine from Japan.

Well, he musnt know much about f1 history then! Honda seem to have managed pretty well before.

Well, I would say they can build a winning engine(PU), no doubt on that. Their problem is inovation. The Japanese are good in making things better, not so inovating them.

Sorry for OT.

[3jawchuck]

EB states clearly what some of us have said for years- you can't build a competitive engine from Japan.

Well, he musnt know much about f1 history then! Honda seem to have managed pretty well before.

To be fair, they didn't have power units as complex as these current ones with packaging as critical and tuned as it is these days. Honda and McLaren can both deliver on their respective parts, but they're not developing a symbiosis with each other enough to make it work. Additionally Honda's traditional practises seem to be at odds with rapid successful development of these power units. Honda may need to do some things differently in order to deliver before it is too late.

[etusch]

When I look last seasons developments, Honda don't look slow on bringing updates. We will see this season without token system. But when we look oil problem they are not slow again. For remained issues we will see their reaction soon

[radosav]

How many in season test are there?

[dr_cooke]

We can be positive whatever we want but McLaren is steering towards a split; https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... re-884671/

EB states clearly what some of us have said for years- you can't build a competitive engine from Japan. And since EB knows perfectly well that Honda isn't going to move their operation and spend the kind of money you need to spend in Europe to get things done- this is more pressure to get Honda to blink first.

That seems a little (actually quite a lot) Euro-centric and a huge underestimation of other teams/countries capabilities. There's more than enough brilliant people in Japan, actually nearly everywhere nowadays, that would do the trick provided they have enough funding and time. Thinking that only here the task would be achieved is quite ridiculous IMHO.

I was bashed (and probably rightly so) for saying somehting less stereotyped as this comment or the one about lack of Japanese innovation.Stereotypes may be an interesting discussion, but don't think they belong here

[Postmoe]

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Positive news.

Translation:
Some numpty mixed up the ignition cables.



On the ECU mapping update just before the race.. I don't think Honda would send such sensitive data over email, no matter how secure the connection is claimed to be. I can't see it.

They could use a secure FTP client, or more likely, dial in via VPN to the Honda network and download the file directly. I don't think transferring the files would be an issue at any point.

No issue whatsoever, plus the alternative (pendrive, pigeon post) would be less secure and quite clumsy. VPN anjd going to the general Honda framework.

Data security hazards are always within the human sphere.

[harjan]

That seems a little (actually quite a lot) Euro-centric and a huge underestimation of other teams/countries capabilities. There's more than enough brilliant people in Japan, actually nearly everywhere nowadays, that would do the trick provided they have enough funding and time. Thinking that only here the task would be achieved is quite ridiculous IMHO.

Hmm.. That's so not what EB is saying;

There's a reason Mercedes builds their car and engines in Brackley. F1 is centered in England. That's where the knowledge (engineers & suppliers) are mainly located. This was one of the reasons that Toyota was destined to fail from the get-go- Ross Brawn already pointed this out at the time.

And that's what EB is saying: Euro suppliers might be more expensive but they're way quicker (through their experience). To become a winning team everything needs to be optimised to the max. As EB says it's all heavily time critical. And with the time lost with suppliers (and travelling back and forth from Sakura) this setup is far from optimal.

[Postmoe]

Lets put it plain and simple: suppliers share key information and are also part of the R&D cycle.
And... suppliers want you to suceed. It's their job and their only way of expanding.

Also, horizontal jumps are normal within those environments which has lots of implications.

There is no eurocentrism implied, as no other region in Europe is comparable too (in terms of F1)

EDIT: Honda has the handicap of building all this "F1 sillicon valley" around Sakura or choosing not to have it. Both options have consequences.

They could, eventually, create a strong subsidiary R&D center in the UK as the other teams to at least minimize disconnection.

[etusch]

That seems a little (actually quite a lot) Euro-centric and a huge underestimation of other teams/countries capabilities. There's more than enough brilliant people in Japan, actually nearly everywhere nowadays, that would do the trick provided they have enough funding and time. Thinking that only here the task would be achieved is quite ridiculous IMHO.

Hmm.. That's so not what EB is saying;

There's a reason Mercedes builds their car and engines in Brackley. F1 is centered in England. That's where the knowledge (engineers & suppliers) are mainly located. This was one of the reasons that Toyota was destined to fail from the get-go- Ross Brawn already pointed this out at the time.

And that's what EB is saying: Euro suppliers might be more expensive but they're way quicker (through their experience). To become a winning team everything needs to be optimised to the max. As EB says it's all heavily time critical. And with the time lost with suppliers (and travelling back and forth from Sakura) this setup is far from optimal.

Toyota made it but where is success? Some says same for Ferrari Which is more successful team.
And merc bought ilmor if I am not wrong. So this not merc didnt establish it uk.

[UnaF1]

He knew it all even before, so why he didn't mention that to Ron?