2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Thunder]

Honda is recruiting quite a lot... https://twitter.com/Rowlinson_F1/status ... 2170113024 Also: https://twitter.com/McLarenGroup/status ... 1065597954

[Vasconia]

Honda is recruiting quite a lot...
https://twitter.com/Rowlinson_F1/status ... 2170113024

Also:
https://twitter.com/McLarenGroup/status ... 1065597954

Never is too late, they say...

[Manoah2u]

Milton Keynes, huh?

RedBull Honda coming up

[PhillipM]

Not really, most of the F1 teams are in that general area, makes sense to put your engine development team on one of the industrial estates there.

[Artur Craft]

Honda is recruiting quite a lot...

But, unfortunately, Mclaren's problems are not just related to Honda who, now I realise, is a bit of a scapegoat. Those who thought the aero(and the chassis in general) isn't great either were right.

Motorsport Zone released a small video with a compilation of the data on it's site and the MCL32, definitely, lacks a lot when compared to Ferrari and Mercedes. Even if they had the same engine, Mclaren would qualify far behind

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59t3GLv3KnE

[diffuser]

In the interview hasegawa gave he said the drivers had to ride the throttle to get the car to accelerate. That cant help the handling and hitting your spots.


Trying to judge the chassis with all the other issues going on right now is an exercise in futility.

[Manoah2u]

Not really, most of the F1 teams are in that general area, makes sense to put your engine development team on one of the industrial estates there.

obviously, it was a joke

[Manoah2u]

http://www.grandprix247.com/2017/04/05/ ... d-be-easy/

Hasegawa: We thought it would be easy

Honda F1 chief Yusuke Hasegawa has admitted that his engineering team underestimated the task of building a competitive Formula 1 power unit and as early as December last year they suspected that they had a huge problem on their hands.

Speaking to Autosport, Hasegawa said, “I’m hugely disappointed. Of course we noticed most of the failures came from our PU. It’s fair to say not everything came from our PU. [But] from the performance point of view, the biggest weakness is our PU. We are very disappointed.”

“As a matter of fact we were thinking too easy, [but] it was too difficult to achieve the new technology. We had some laboratory level experiments. We were thinking too easy, so that was my mistake.”

“We have to realise the whole package, but we didn’t make it. We made some good progress in the mono-cylinder on the dyno, but as soon as we completed the V6 engine we had many issues.”

“What we achieved in [the] mono-cylinder is at a very good level, but when we transfer exactly the same specification to the V6 engine it doesn’t work. We are very disappointed. But it was too late that we noticed that – at Christmas.”

“After we understand the issues this was the time we needed to confirm the final specification. We needed to have some compromise.”

“We have huge vibrations. The only thing I can tell is that on the dyno we didn’t have such a big issue. When we have a gearbox, driveshaft and tyre, it has some resonance. Please understand I’m not blaming the chassis, we have to realise the situation on the dyno as well.”

“I try to react to the team’s and drivers’ depression, if we have a way, but it is not an easy job. It’s a big job to update the engines, so we need to live with the situation for a couple of weeks. Obviously if we find the way, as soon as we get it things will be alright.”

“We are trying even harder in Sakura. We are trying everything we can do now.”

“We can change the intake system or exhaust system; we can see a solution with that, but we can’t change [completely] the inside of the engine. Obviously we have no time to change completely the packaging, and I don’t think it’s necessary to change everything.

“If we find a good solution we need to change the engine for round five or six, so I really want to update our specification before then, or to that time,” added Hasegawa.

the fail is huge.......

[Thunder]

A late thank you from Helmut Marko to Ron Dennis for vetoing Honda PU's to Red Bull.
http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/news ... 40602.html

[fellowhoodlums]

In hindsight you wonder if an evolution of final spec 2016 would have been better to begin with. At end of season it was best of the mid table. A decent development of that would have at least kept them in that position for Melbourne.

I appreciate you have 4 element changes per season, but theoretically and in hindsight would Honda have been able to run improved 2016 engine for first 4 races then move to this new 2017 design ?

It sounds like the prudent thing to have done but obviously risk brings reward and that's what they went for.

[Thunder]

That would have only delayed the Problems that have occured since in Winter Testing to show imo. So better go through that Pain now.

Edit: Apparently a new Rear Wing will be on Alonsos Car on Saturday.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1472035319

[diffuser]

Probably but they did say they wanted to catch-up and to do that they had to take risks.

Since I don't know better, the risk is TJI.

So performance wise, right now, they are behind were they would have been if they hadn't put it on. Putting it on is forcing them to deal with it.

I guess that's what wazari was talking about when he said they didn't test enough. Honda's V6 TJI implementation was still unproven when they tried to adopt it for the 2017 season.

Since in that Same interview Hasegawa said that it was his mistake, he agrees with you, TJI was "a bridge too far".

[Vasconia]

That would have only delayed the Problems that have occured since in Winter Testing to show imo. So better go through that Pain now.

Edit: Apparently a new Rear Wing will be on Alonsos Car on Saturday.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... 1472035319

Wow, its an interesting desing, no idea if it will work but at least the team tries to be adventorous and brave, hope it can bring some tenths.

[mclaren111]

Not an aero guy !!

What is so aggressive about the T-Wing ??

[Chicane]

Alonso:

In Australia, it was a record for us, the fuel saving," he said. "So it's going to be difficult for us this year, as long as the engine doesn't improve.

"It's not power, it's many things, it's reliability, it's fuel saving, and there are a lot more implications in the driving that we cannot drive normally, because we need to drive around the engine.

"It's quite difficult, it's quite hard now, to drive the car. But we are doing our best to help the team.

"It's difficult in the way that you cannot do any mistake for the whole race, because any mistake in one corner, you brake late, you lock up, whatever happens in the next straight, they will overtake you with the speed difference. You need to do zero mistakes."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... so-890142/