2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Alonso Fan]

Hmm I thought it was an MGU-H failure in the race?

[flexcon]

Hmm. Alonso did this a few times through '15 '16. A bit petulant from the big man.

Maybe I am being Dumb, but what benefit has that to retire before the end?

[F1NAC]

Hmm. Alonso did this a few times through '15 '16. A bit petulant from the big man.

Maybe I am being Dumb, but what benefit has that to retire before the end?

Well if I'm not mistaken he didn't finish any race this year so he can basically have new gearbox?

[Andres125sx]

I am so disappointed in Honda this year. I knew they were a bit arrogant but this is just another level of arrogancy. Have seen them ignoring the opinions of others, even their own riders for years, which had resulted in being uncompetitive for a long time in MOTOGP, they even lost their star rider Rossi to Yamaha.

Totally OT, but if Rossi left Honda it was because he did want to prove the world he was not winning only due to the bike, so he moved to Yamaha and actually proved it.

The only responsability Honda got here was building the best bike of the championship, what always brings in the usual debate, it´s the driver or the machinery? If you´re going to blame Honda because of building the best bike feel free to do it, but to me that´s utter nosense.

Same thing's happening here, they won't take outside help, won't set up their main base in England, what are they trying to accomplish here?

It´s curious how people assume to succed in F1 you need a headquarter in England...

Honda never got it, and they´ve been successful in F1 before. Ferrari never got it, and they´re leading the WDC and WCC right now


Main base placement is irrelevant when you lack experience compared to your rivals and there´re some restrictions severly flattering your development curve.

If Honda has not solved their PU problems in 2015 and 2016 it was not due to their incompetence, but due to the restrictions banning any mayor PU upgrade

If Honda has not built an awesome PU from race 1 in 2017 it´s not due to their incompetence, but due to the ban on testing, so they´ve developed a completely new concept wich they´ve not been able to test until few weeks before the season start

Now we can blame Honda at every GP if we want, but that will never change the fact they´ve not been able to test the new PU until few weeks before Melbourne, so once they found the usual teethering problems for a new concept, they were hand-tied for the first 3-4 GPs.



I´m also VERY frustrated about Honda, but this is current F1 were PU development is restricted, so we shouldn´t ignore development is restricted by FIA and then blame manufacturers because of their slow development curve. Not if we want to be reasonable at least

It was obvious all first GPs of the season will be a disaster, and it was obvious even before winter testing when Hasegawa said their new concept was a radical design wich may have reliability problems at the beginning.

It was obvious even before winter tests, so after winter tests with all those problems anyone thinking first races with this mkI 2017 PU would be any different, sorry but he was living a dream. Only realistic hope would be expecting a mkII PU with all the problems solved and performing decently, but we´ll have to wait probably until Spain for that.

Reading so much whinning at every GP before that is becoming tiring. They can´t do magic with this first spec PU, it is what it is and only when they can race the second spec we should expect a firm step forward... or two or three considering their current situation...

[Bill_Kar]

Maybe I'm wrong, speaking on behalf of other person, but I really think he meant that the base of Honda should be right next of the base of McLaren. Nothing particular with England. If Honda was working with Toro Rosso they should move to Faenza.

[Alonso Fan]

its not the fact that they've been suffering teething problems that's the issue. it's the extent of the teething problems they've been suffering which is baffling. Renault also went for some risky major changes for last year and this year and they've got it right, and yes they have had normal teething problems and ironed them out quickly. ok they're still down on the best, but the hp difference is minimal

[diffuser]

Hmm. Alonso did this a few times through '15 '16. A bit petulant from the big man.

Maybe I am being Dumb, but what benefit has that to retire before the end?

What's the point in finishing last? What do you learn from those last 2 laps.

[Sevach]

Totally OT, but if Rossi left Honda it was because he did want to prove the world he was not winning only due to the bike, so he moved to Yamaha and actually proved it.

It didn't help their case that the HRC director was very dismissive of Vale at the time, when he was negotiating with Yamaha, something to the effect of "if Rossi isn't with us next year our other rider (Hayden) will win", the guy is going through something of an existencial crisis and you say that? They paid the price for quite a few years after that.

[flexcon]

Hmm. Alonso did this a few times through '15 '16. A bit petulant from the big man.

Maybe I am being Dumb, but what benefit has that to retire before the end?

What's the point in finishing last? What do you learn from those last 2 laps.

IN their current state I'd propose quite a lot! My question is based on - if they don't finish the grand prix do they save in milage, or gearbox penalties or an obvious more technical answer than just " Alonso is disheartened so might as well pull up 1 lap short". Is he trying to massage his own numbers by doing so? Genuine question to what really is the point in pulling up one lap short.

[diffuser]

Maybe I am being Dumb, but what benefit has that to retire before the end?

What's the point in finishing last? What do you learn from those last 2 laps.

IN their current state I'd propose quite a lot! My question is based on - if they don't finish the grand prix do they save in milage, or gearbox penalties or an obvious more technical answer than just " Alonso is disheartened so might as well pull up 1 lap short". Is he trying to massage his own numbers by doing so? Genuine question to what really is the point in pulling up one lap short.

I think it's just about Alonso wanting to avoid the media. At least yesterday. We didn't hear anything from him did we after the race?

[Nathanael F1]

What's the point in finishing last? What do you learn from those last 2 laps.

IN their current state I'd propose quite a lot! My question is based on - if they don't finish the grand prix do they save in milage, or gearbox penalties or an obvious more technical answer than just " Alonso is disheartened so might as well pull up 1 lap short". Is he trying to massage his own numbers by doing so? Genuine question to what really is the point in pulling up one lap short.

I think it's just about Alonso wanting to avoid the media. At least yesterday. We didn't hear anything from him did we after the race?

He did. The F1 YouTube channel has his interview.

[Redragon]

Maybe I'm wrong, speaking on behalf of other person, but I really think he meant that the base of Honda should be right next of the base of McLaren. Nothing particular with England. If Honda was working with Toro Rosso they should move to Faenza.

Japan is 8 hours ahead from Europe, so any engine delivery or others sent from Japan is a bit ahead of time and can arrive between the time frame of Mclaren or other european team production time on the same day. The only difference is the cost of delivery. But communication with live internet conference calls these days is not a problem.

[OviJohn]

Hmm. Alonso did this a few times through '15 '16. A bit petulant from the big man.

Maybe I am being Dumb, but what benefit has that to retire before the end?

Well if I'm not mistaken he didn't finish any race this year so he can basically have new gearbox?

Free penalty gearbox. Same as previous GP. So it could also be strategic DNF. But hey, better trust Ted Kravitz speculations

[Redragon]

Maybe I am being Dumb, but what benefit has that to retire before the end?

Well if I'm not mistaken he didn't finish any race this year so he can basically have new gearbox?

Free penalty gearbox. Same as previous GP. So it could also be strategic DNF. But hey, better trust Ted Kravitz speculations

The same guy, Ted, who started the speculation that Alo will retire last year and still racing. Sometimes his specualtions are right and other times are just blows to keep the media trend news on his side or sky side.

[diffuser]

Well if I'm not mistaken he didn't finish any race this year so he can basically have new gearbox?

Free penalty gearbox. Same as previous GP. So it could also be strategic DNF. But hey, better trust Ted Kravitz speculations

The same guy, Ted, who started the speculation that Alo will retire last year and still racing. Sometimes his specualtions are right and other times are just blows to keep the media trend news on his side or sky side.

In Ted's defense Alonso stated that himself all be it rather tongue and cheek (in my opinion it was anyways).