Ron Dennis

Post here all non technical related topics about Formula One. This includes race results, discussions, testing analysis etc. TV coverage and other personal questions should be in Off topic chat.
waynes
waynes
1
Joined: 23 Aug 2006, 23:23
Location: Manchester

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

Spencifer_Murphy wrote:I take no notice of what the sun has to say. For two reason's:
1. Its owned by that corrupt clown rupert murdock
2. It's the embodiment of whats wrong with the british press
fancy going on a date? i love you :mrgreen:

User avatar
P_O_L
0
Joined: 04 Feb 2008, 23:24

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

Tomba wrote:
P_O_L wrote:Dennis being sacked would be a good day for F1, no doubt.
Actually Ron Dennis has helped build F1 to what it is today, and with it his team, which happens to be one of the most successful in Formula One history.


People do get things wrong but it doesn't mean that Ron Dennis isn't an asset to Formula One, or even more to his team.

With all due respect, on the base of the last 10 years i have to strongly disagree with that. And while my opinion is just one of a fan, Mosley has uttered similar wordings many times. That it was Dennis who held back many of the changes he wanted to implement in F1 to enhance the spectacle and cut costs. It took a lot of argy bargy by ecclestone to persuade dennis to sign the changes that have made last season one of the best in years, many agree. The year before that was also a very good one. As was 2005. In that respect Mosley was right and Dennis was wrong. He brought a lot to his own team, but not F1 in general, at least not in the last 10 years.
Last Tango In Paris

User avatar
tarzoon
0
Joined: 17 May 2006, 19:53
Location: White and blue football club

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

I believe we are getting many things wrong... Dennis may have been a b@stard in many occations, but it was on his - and his team - best interest. Nothing wrong with that. By the end of the day, he delivered a lot. He made his team extremely successful and rich. And since it's rich, it's of his best interest to keep costs high.

Maybe we don't like the way he patronizes everyone else, but all of us have our defects.

The same way that Mosley and Bernie keep changing rules, sometimes for the best, most of the times for the worst.

BTW, can you tell me what is the italian nickname for Montie? I forgot... :roll:

User avatar
NickT
2
Joined: 24 Sep 2003, 12:47
Location: Edinburgh, UK

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

P_O_L thank you I have been ROTFLMAO reading your posts :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

However, I am now pretty sure you are actually Giuseppe Tibis, the prosecutor from Ferrari's home province of Modena, who launched the legal investigation in to the spying allegations at McLaren. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if you were sponsored through your law degree by Ferrari and take your lunch regularly in Il Cavalinno, the restaurant across the street from the factory. Where you have discussed with Napoleon Todt all the "unoffical" leaks to the press over the last year prior to launching your own much more personal but sadly pointless :^o attacks on Ron Dennis [-X

You know what really tickles me :?: that never ceases to amaze me :?: is how limited a "fan's" depth of knowledge of F1 can be :shock: or how easily the "fan" can be lead by whispered hearsay and rumour :wink: or how willing the "fan" is to quote and embellish the whispered hearsay and rumour, while totally ignoring the facts :shock: but.....




....... its always interesting when a new "fan" comes along, to watch as he digs a deeper and deeper hole, in which to bury himself and his clouded views :lol: :lol: :lol:
NickT

User avatar
teecof1fan
0
Joined: 02 Apr 2007, 03:51
Location: Saint Louis, USA

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

who cares.......? :| We're a bunch of blokes blabbering on......love ron or hate ron, love flavio or hate flavio, love ferrari or hate ferrari; nothing matters until march 16th. i think we're all getting so horny waiting for sex (australian gp) that we're starting to talk nonsense :D :mrgreen:
Ahhh, the most soothing, relaxing, and beautiful sound in the world. Looks cool too! http://youtube.com/watch?v=Eo-9Io41bt8

User avatar
Spencifer_Murphy
0
Joined: 11 Apr 2004, 23:29
Location: London, England, UK

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

waynes wrote:
Spencifer_Murphy wrote:I take no notice of what the sun has to say. For two reason's:
1. Its owned by that corrupt clown rupert murdock
2. It's the embodiment of whats wrong with the british press
fancy going on a date? i love you :mrgreen:
LMAO!!! :lol:

I don't think that my missus would be very impressed haha!
tarzoon wrote:I believe we are getting many things wrong... Dennis may have been a b@stard in many occations, but it was on his - and his team - best interest. Nothing wrong with that.
Could not agree more my friend, I could not agree more. =D>
Silence is golden when you don't know a good answer.

SoundMan
SoundMan
0
Joined: 08 Jan 2008, 19:41
Location: UK

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

Spencifer_Murphy wrote:
tarzoon wrote:I believe we are getting many things wrong... Dennis may have been a b@stard in many occations, but it was on his - and his team - best interest. Nothing wrong with that.
Could not agree more my friend, I could not agree more. =D>
how could you condone someone being a b@stard and justify it by saying it was for his own self interest?

not something i could agree to. [-X

User avatar
checkered
0
Joined: 02 Mar 2007, 14:32

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

I'm sure many

of you have already seen the Times Online pieces ('McLaren boss Ron Dennis set to quit' and 'Ron Dennis, driven to the end'), I just thought it useful to "archive" the links here, as it's all part of the unfolding saga. The TO isn't exactly clear to whom they're attributing the information in their report (as far as I can see), nor are they very clear what roles (beyond 'team manager') such a change might involve. I'd be somewhat surprised if some sort of a "transitional protocol" wasn't applied, given the role Dennis has earned and been bestowed with within his team.

It'll also be interesting to see what Ron, TAG (Ojjeh) and Mumtalakat (Bahrain) will be doing with their shares - as there are said to be agreements in place with regard to voting (Mumtalakat voting with Ron and Ojjeh, effectively giving absolute control to Ron), it's not inconceivable that Daimler also has received assurances in case of certain scenarios unfolding. On the other hand, if there's such a thing as "conventional F1 participation", Mercedes has defied it with its approach under Haug's management (as exemplified by Adam Cooper's recent feature 'SPECIAL: Mercedes’ Man in the Middle' - worth a read) so I'm not suggesting they'd necessarily view the examples of Honda, BMW and such as actions they'd need to embark on in light of improving performance.

Surely, any reduction in Dennis' role will be met with some amount of detractory crowing from spoilsport wannabes, but that will just be met with the sort of intransigence that can only be forged through decades of experience and perspective that will not in any way entertain, conform to or be swayed by a purposefully eclectic portrayal of actions and events - for that just displays a self-centered and ultimately self-defeating revisionist delusion, notes in the symphony of F1 that only the utterers themselves perceive to be discordant. (If the preceding sentence sounded like an 'homage' to 'Ronspeak', well, that's because in part it was.)

If it's time for Ron to move on, then it's time. Not the end of the story, though, as that's only the realisation of Dennis' ultimate job - to persuade and enable his team to carry on, to evolve and to improve in some form or shape. At one point or another, that will have to involve distancing oneself from the equation. It's not until you see something taking on a life of its own that you know you've played a part in something wonderful. In this regard, the TO article's emphasis on Ron Dennis wanting to be more available to his children adds some metaphorical poignancy to the underlying theme.

User avatar
whiplash
0
Joined: 07 Mar 2006, 14:45
Location: Manchester / England

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

The sooner Ron leaves the better for F1

User avatar
Spencifer_Murphy
0
Joined: 11 Apr 2004, 23:29
Location: London, England, UK

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

SoundMan wrote:
Spencifer_Murphy wrote:
tarzoon wrote:I believe we are getting many things wrong... Dennis may have been a b@stard in many occations, but it was on his - and his team - best interest. Nothing wrong with that.
Could not agree more my friend, I could not agree more. =D>
how could you condone someone being a b@stard and justify it by saying it was for his own self interest?

not something i could agree to. [-X
Oh no you misunderstand me. I do NOT condone him for being a b@stard. I'm simply saying that he may have been a b@stard but almost every thing he did was in the best interest of his team. And that is to be applauded. Why should he do anything that's not in his teams best interest when there is so much money at stake, in a world where people will lynch you for loosing the sponsors some air-time, publicity and/or stock-market value.

In short, Ron Dennis - business man is probably (although we do not KNOW this) not the same guy as Ron Dennis - the father, or Ron Dennis - husband (albeit not for long). But all his antics in F1 were in the best interest of those who work for him.

And that's exactly what I'd expect from my boss. If things went tits-up I'd like to think my boss would put his neck on the line for us just like Ron has for Mclaren F1. The motivation may well be for himself, but equally it could be for his employees too. But at the end of the day, self-preservation of your organisation, the same organisation that he basically built is important. Put it this way, if you spent close on 30years building a business into the sucess it is now, would you not doing something to protect it just because "others may think I'm a b@stard" who cares what others think? Are those others your friends? No, they are rival businessmen, so who gives a damn what they think, if I'd built up a business like that I'd do whatever the hell it takes to protect it, regardless of my public image. At the end of the day when it comes to such matters the only opinion that matters is the opinion of my friends and family. The press can "go f***ing swivel" lol - sorry had to insert the mclaren-esque pun. :oops:
Silence is golden when you don't know a good answer.

User avatar
tarzoon
0
Joined: 17 May 2006, 19:53
Location: White and blue football club

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

SoundMan wrote:
Spencifer_Murphy wrote:
tarzoon wrote:I believe we are getting many things wrong... Dennis may have been a b@stard in many occations, but it was on his - and his team - best interest. Nothing wrong with that.
Could not agree more my friend, I could not agree more. =D>
how could you condone someone being a b@stard and justify it by saying it was for his own self interest?

not something i could agree to. [-X
Thanks Spencifer_Murphy for justifying my point.:)

In truth, we can be seen as b@stards at one point or another. And it's all up to press and especially the tabloids to create that image. It is also up to ourselves and our own success. If we count all successful businessmen that were considered arrogant and b@stards, we probably find out very quickly that they outnumber the nice chaps.

F1 can sometimes be ridiculously competitive. And in such environments there is no space for mr. Nice Guy to succeed. Shummi, Senna, Alonso, Piquet, Prost and so many others are remembered for being not only successful but also ruthless (probably a bit of a stong word, but sometimes it is that close) competitors. And these were the guys that pushed the cars beyond boundaries. But they could only do it with someone like Dennis, Todt or Williams supporting them.

User avatar
Steven
Owner
Joined: 19 Aug 2002, 18:32
Location: Belgium

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

mcdenife wrote:........hey wait a minute, Tomba, are you in any way, shape or form related to......'British press'?? Sorry guys...but its Friday and not long to go to Oz season opener
Not really mcdenife, you can continue as you like ;)
teecof1fan wrote:who cares.......? :| We're a bunch of blokes blabbering on......love ron or hate ron, love flavio or hate flavio, love ferrari or hate ferrari; nothing matters until march 16th. i think we're all getting so horny waiting for sex (australian gp) that we're starting to talk nonsense :D :mrgreen:
Well I tend to agree with that, especially after reading mcdenife's post repeatedly :D

Anyway, I think it's just wait and see from now on, the will be some clarity about Ron in the near future. If not, he's just staying where he is... 8)

User avatar
Spencifer_Murphy
0
Joined: 11 Apr 2004, 23:29
Location: London, England, UK

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

http://f1.gpupdate.net/en/news/2008/03/ ... this-week/

Fanning the flames, pouring petrol onto the fire, call it what you will. But here's more news regarding Ron's supposed departure.

I still struggle to believe that he'll leave right at the beginning of the season. If he does make some sort of announcement soon, I'd expect it to be a sort of "I'll be stepping down at the end of this season" sorta thing.
Silence is golden when you don't know a good answer.

monkeyboy1976
monkeyboy1976
2
Joined: 12 Jan 2006, 17:00
Location: Midlands, UK

Re: Ron Dennis

Post


axle
axle
3
Joined: 22 Jun 2004, 14:45
Location: Norfolk, UK

Re: Ron Dennis

Post

TBH Ron has been gradually edging away from the media and putting Martin in charge of that...I wouldn't be surprised if Ron basically says he's going to focus on the business at home rather than fly away with the GP team all the time. He probably feels they need to regroup back at base and his 100% focus on that will be the reason that Martin will be running the F1 operation on his own as such.
- Axle