2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Alonso Fan]

Did Alonso really have PU issues or did he just park the car because he didn't feel like racing?

I'd be surprised if the chassis is any better than the Red Bull. This is a best of the rest team. They'll not be back on top.

no he parked it in Bahrain only because he wasn't in the points on the last lap. he wouldn't park it on purpose before a race even began

The PU is not unreliable, it's generally just the KERS that giving them trouble. ...

news flash: KERS is part of the PU

hoping for something at least reliable for spain

[RS200E]

Doesn't matter what part is unreliable. It's one PU that is supposed to work in harmony. The ICU might be ok but it doesn't matter if it everything else doesn't work and has no performance when it does work.

Also I'm afraid that using the term "closer to merc" is unrealistic now. I was watching Vamdoorn's laptimes while he was pulling away from the Saubers, but then Stroll in front of Vandoorn was pulling well ahead of Vandoorn. And Stroll isn't even the fastest with a Merc engine is he.

The PU is not unreliable, it's generally just the KERS that giving them trouble.

With regards to the performance, vibrations and thirst they're all tied to the combustion.

With new heads coming I'm hoping that we'll resolve all those issues. We'll get a lot more perf in all 3 categories(fuel efficiancy, Power and KERS duration), Not sure how close that will get us to Merc. We'll have to wait and see. I'm also sure other issues will arise.

[dren]

Did Alonso really have PU issues or did he just park the car because he didn't feel like racing?

I'd be surprised if the chassis is any better than the Red Bull. This is a best of the rest team. They'll not be back on top.

no he parked it in Bahrain only because he wasn't in the points on the last lap. he wouldn't park it on purpose before a race even began

You give Alonso too much credit. He knew he would have chugged around lap after lap just ahead of the Saubers.

[diffuser]

I agree but don't agree.

Don't agree - The MGU-H is an "on/off" issue. So it either works or it doesn't when it's broken. It's a cooling issue where they get water leaks.it may be getting aggravated by the vibrations.

Agree - The combustion is having a domino effect that is resulting in a lack of fuel efficiency, lack of performance and not enough lack of duration of the MGU-k

"Closer to merc" is a relative term right ? If they get 1 more HP the PU would be closer. Plus as they get more power everything changes including how they'd setup the car so all that other stuff is hard to calculate.

[Alonso Fan]

Did Alonso really have PU issues or did he just park the car because he didn't feel like racing?

I'd be surprised if the chassis is any better than the Red Bull. This is a best of the rest team. They'll not be back on top.

no he parked it in Bahrain only because he wasn't in the points on the last lap. he wouldn't park it on purpose before a race even began

You give Alonso too much credit. He knew he would have chugged around lap after lap just ahead of the Saubers.

Last time he said 'engine problem' yet drove straight to the garage and parked it.

This time he was much more specific and said something about state of charge. And he didn't even make it to the pits. Clear failure

[RS200E]

It's irrelevant when they are so far back and have shown little progress and promise.

Before a child starts sitting up right we do not say the child is getting closer to winning the Olympic Games 100m sprint.

Honda haven't even started to sit upright yet.

[diffuser]

well they haven't presented any upgrades. So I'm not sure where they'd have shown progress.

[Alonso Fan]

well they haven't presented any upgrades. So I'm not sure where they'd have shown progress.

They tested a reliability upgrade in Bahrain and used it for Russia. Surely they would have shown progress there?

[diffuser]

So my understanding was the "revision" of the part didn't change. It was just a installation procedure or something like that that changed.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/mcla ... ia-897597/

Motorsport.com has learned both drivers will run new MGU-H components that have been updated for reliability in Russia, but it is believed it is not a brand new spec.

[RS200E]

Looking forward to the upgrades. Even if it makes them reliable it will make watching the race less depressing.

[diffuser]

I am very disappointed.
I was under the impression that last year they were working on both the 2016 PU and 2017 PU at the same time and at the same level, which wasn't true. They obviously don't have enough resources to have done that. In reality they should have completely abandoned (like Renault did in the previous year) the 2016 PU early last year and put everyone on the 2017. In the 2016 in-season tests, they should have been testing the 2017 PU.

[diffuser]

no he parked it in Bahrain only because he wasn't in the points on the last lap. he wouldn't park it on purpose before a race even began

You give Alonso too much credit. He knew he would have chugged around lap after lap just ahead of the Saubers.

Last time he said 'engine problem' yet drove straight to the garage and parked it.

This time he was much more specific and said something about state of charge. And he didn't even make it to the pits. Clear failure

If he had a car that could put him in the points this wouldn't be an issue. Sure it's petty but we want Alonso to win the driver's championship not the humanitarian of the year award. Sooo why do we care?

[Alonso Fan]

You give Alonso too much credit. He knew he would have chugged around lap after lap just ahead of the Saubers.

Last time he said 'engine problem' yet drove straight to the garage and parked it.

This time he was much more specific and said something about state of charge. And he didn't even make it to the pits. Clear failure

If he had a car that could put him in the points this wouldn't be an issue. Sure it's petty but we want Alonso to win the driver's championship not the humanitarian of the year award. Sooo why do we care?

Tbh I don't really care but I was correcting an incorrect assumption

[diffuser]

Sorry.

[GhostF1]

Last time he said 'engine problem' yet drove straight to the garage and parked it.

This time he was much more specific and said something about state of charge. And he didn't even make it to the pits. Clear failure

If he had a car that could put him in the points this wouldn't be an issue. Sure it's petty but we want Alonso to win the driver's championship not the humanitarian of the year award. Sooo why do we care?

Tbh I don't really care but I was correcting an incorrect assumption

It was quoted by Hasegawa that it was a software fault in the ERS and restarting on track didn't work. Alonso's radio he actually says he tried multiple times. They probably sorted it the moment it was backed into the garage for all we know, but by then it would of been pointless running.