2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Manoah2u]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... for-monaco

Main points:

Great correlation between CFD, wind-tunnel and track for new parts in Barca (95%).

Second half of Barca upgrade package for Monaco.

I must say i've been seriously impressed with the car itself, despite having a dog of an engine.
It's really sad that all that chassis greatness is nihilized due to the engine problems.

looking at the team itself and the chassis i do see why Alonso decided staying with Mclaren atleast this year.

The engine problems must have really taken them completely by surprise. If i understood correctly, the one-cylinder testing bank was above promising. if that had transformed correctly to a full spec engine, this might have been up there with Mercedes and Ferrari but surely above RedBull.

I would be really, really, absolutely curious to see what would happen if they'd spoon in the Williams or Force India-spec Mercedes engine.

A side question though;

The Honda engine thread is so huge and clouded in some points that i get lost after 3 plus pages;

why isn't Mclaren using last year's Honda engines whilst Honda fixes this spec?
If i recall right, that engine was doing rather well in the end of last season, i remember seeing good stuff during Brazil for example.

[SameSame]

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... for-monaco

Main points:

Great correlation between CFD, wind-tunnel and track for new parts in Barca (95%).

Second half of Barca upgrade package for Monaco.

I must say i've been seriously impressed with the car itself, despite having a dog of an engine.
It's really sad that all that chassis greatness is nihilized due to the engine problems.

looking at the team itself and the chassis i do see why Alonso decided staying with Mclaren atleast this year.

The engine problems must have really taken them completely by surprise. If i understood correctly, the one-cylinder testing bank was above promising. if that had transformed correctly to a full spec engine, this might have been up there with Mercedes and Ferrari but surely above RedBull.

I would be really, really, absolutely curious to see what would happen if they'd spoon in the Williams or Force India-spec Mercedes engine.

A side question though;

The Honda engine thread is so huge and clouded in some points that i get lost after 3 plus pages;

why isn't Mclaren using last year's Honda engines whilst Honda fixes this spec?
If i recall right, that engine was doing rather well in the end of last season, i remember seeing good stuff during Brazil for example.

The car does seem to perform well. I'm excited to see what they can do in Hungary. Monaco might be tricky for Vandoorne and Button.

Hopefully Honda can provide a big enough step on the PU side to convince Alonso to stay one more year; and that next year everything comes together. To bridge the race pace deficit at the moment does seem slightly impossible though

With regards to the PU, maybe the cooling and packaging solutions are so different between the specs? Really hope they can have a mighty second half of the season and claim P4 in the constructors

[mrluke]

why isn't Mclaren using last year's Honda engines whilst Honda fixes this spec?
If i recall right, that engine was doing rather well in the end of last season, i remember seeing good stuff during Brazil for example.

Because this year's engine is still better than last years, and they need the testing data to help improve it further.

[kfrantzios]

why isn't Mclaren using last year's Honda engines whilst Honda fixes this spec?
If i recall right, that engine was doing rather well in the end of last season, i remember seeing good stuff during Brazil for example.

Because this year's engine is still better than last years, and they need the testing data to help improve it further.

That and because last year's engine does not fit in the 2017 chassis

[GhostF1]

why isn't Mclaren using last year's Honda engines whilst Honda fixes this spec?
If i recall right, that engine was doing rather well in the end of last season, i remember seeing good stuff during Brazil for example.

Because this year's engine is still better than last years, and they need the testing data to help improve it further.

That and because last year's engine does not fit in the 2017 chassis

That was spoken about to death in the PU thread. So all of the above. This years engine is physically much smaller entirely than last year. The layout is different as well. It would not be so simple.
It makes more power than last year, but the increased weight and significantly higher downforce hides that. Seriously though. Watch this space as I think Barcelona was the first of many GP's where Honda start to unlock the engines potential.

[fellowhoodlums]

Power circuits will still be an issue if the next PU update isn't a huge power impovement. I know Honda was targeting Canada but might not make it. Do we know if Canada a power circuit.?

[mclaren111]

Really hope Honda is working on 2018 PU as well !!!!

[hazelnut120]

That's a hell of an argument....

What about 1.5 sec difference in BCN quali whit no reliability problems for Vandoorne?

0.5 seconds and muramasa on Autosport said that Hasegawa told Japanese media that Vandoorne had an electrical issue during quali. He's not had a single issue free quali this season. I don't know how it's rational to compare when reliability effected the sessions.

[Vasconia]

Power circuits will still be an issue if the next PU update isn't a huge power impovement. I know Honda was targeting Canada but might not make it. Do we know if Canada a power circuit.?

Straights and chicanes, HELL YES. They are going to suffer so much is the update is not ready for this track.

[GoranF1]

That's a hell of an argument....

What about 1.5 sec difference in BCN quali whit no reliability problems for Vandoorne?

0.5 seconds and muramasa on Autosport said that Hasegawa told Japanese media that Vandoorne had an electrical issue during quali. He's not had a single issue free quali this season. I don't know how it's rational to compare when reliability effected the sessions.

1.5

[rscsr]

What about 1.5 sec difference in BCN quali whit no reliability problems for Vandoorne?

0.5 seconds and muramasa on Autosport said that Hasegawa told Japanese media that Vandoorne had an electrical issue during quali. He's not had a single issue free quali this season. I don't know how it's rational to compare when reliability effected the sessions.

1.5

0.5 in Q1

[godlameroso]

Power circuits will still be an issue if the next PU update isn't a huge power impovement. I know Honda was targeting Canada but might not make it. Do we know if Canada a power circuit.?

Straights and chicanes, HELL YES. They are going to suffer so much is the update is not ready for this track.

Power is important, but so is mechanical grip, low speed aero grip, and most important of all breaking.

[Thunder]

....and most important of all breaking.

No one breaks better than Honda. So a Podium should be realistic for Canada.

[godlameroso]

New Honda engine in Canada

The Japanese are confident that a large part of the problems are solved as of GP Canada. Then Honda brings a new engine to the start. It has been greatly modified in the range of combustion. The Honda engine is equipped with a pre-chamber ignition.

In the Sakura development center, it is optimistic that the engine will bring the performance that Honda had targeted for the start of the season. First improvements have already been seen in Barcelona. Honda had modified the air intake and the petrol system.

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 34472.html

[ME4ME]

Sounds good. Will we see them surpassing the Renault PU soon? At Renaults current rate, it isn't out of the question.