This is a bit weird, the press, even reputable press like autosport keep posting that Honda have talked to Mercedes about getting 'help' (note talked to, not reported as having received any yet). But, I think Hasegawa / Honda have said that they are reluctant to accept direct help (obviously that makes you dependent on a competitor to some extent, looks bad, is philosophically against the 'figure it out internally to strengthen the company's engineering' culture etc). I know there is obviously collaboration with suppliers and external consultants, and European staff are hired when possible, I'm concentrating more on the Mercedes angle. Do I mis-remember Honda's position on this ? The only other thing I've seen written on forums is that perhaps exclusivity on suppliers may have been relaxed a little, a sort of indirect help.Honda has sought extra help from independent engine consultant Ilmor and reportedly sounded out Mercedes too as part of a concerted effort to accelerate progress.
I don't understand this good. We are waiting this update as big update which bring Honda about 2016 merc level. But here Hasegawa san says "if it is small" like somethings. Can't we see that level. Wasn't the objective of update that levelChanman141 wrote: β02 Jun 2017, 11:33http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... for-canada
Main update is aimed at the ICE, but it is very tight to get all the testing, settings and mapping sorted in time for Canada
I noticed he mentioned that too. Quite worrying, unless what he meant was lost in translation.etusch wrote: β02 Jun 2017, 15:11I don't understand this good. We are waiting this update as big update which bring Honda about 2016 merc level. But here Hasegawa san says "if it is small" like somethings. Can't we see that level. Wasn't the objective of update that levelChanman141 wrote: β02 Jun 2017, 11:33http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... for-canada
Main update is aimed at the ICE, but it is very tight to get all the testing, settings and mapping sorted in time for Canada
That's the objective, but if they can't do all of the necessary testing and work on settings then they run the risk of turning up in Canada with an ICE that's not ready for the track. They are in a catch 22 situation - Damned if they bring it (assuming it breaks down etc) and damned if they don't (need more time to test the reliability and work on settings to ensure the drivers have driviability).etusch wrote: β02 Jun 2017, 15:11I don't understand this good. We are waiting this update as big update which bring Honda about 2016 merc level. But here Hasegawa san says "if it is small" like somethings. Can't we see that level. Wasn't the objective of update that levelChanman141 wrote: β02 Jun 2017, 11:33http://www.autosport.com/news/report.ph ... for-canada
Main update is aimed at the ICE, but it is very tight to get all the testing, settings and mapping sorted in time for Canada
I subscribe to the magazine "Motorsport" in the UK. In the July 2017 edition, there's a column by Mark Hughes which talks about this, page 32 entitled "F1 Frontline".
So something is causing it to wear out prematurely?GhostF1 wrote: β02 Jun 2017, 11:19Clarification by Hasegawa about the "MGU-H only lasts for two races" statement. He said "that's the trend but their testing shows it capable of far longer". Mentions it's just a modification required and they have another revised version in testing now but they don't want to change it Canada unless a problem occurs.
What we know is that they pulled it cause there was some bearing wear. That it wasn't spinning as well as it does normally. That it was sticking slightly at a certain position in the rotation. Also in the past the yhadn't noticed the sticking and it seized before they pulled.DarkAlman wrote: β02 Jun 2017, 16:01
So something is causing it to wear out prematurely?
I wish they were allowed to be more specific, inquiring minds want to know!
It always seems to be caused by something they can't adequately simulate on the dyno.
Is it a cooling problem that only appears once it's under the bonnet and under race conditions?
Or is it a G-force problem where parts bend or compress under load in the corners?
I've got a feeling it's cooling, and they are forced to reduce the power output of the hybrid system to help prevent catastrophic failure during the race. Would explain at least a portion of the performance deficit.
I dunno I'm speculating