Shame no Canada update after all. Honda doesn't seem to have any control over their development.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... es-warning
Thanks for your view on things Wazari-san!Wazari wrote: ↑08 Jun 2017, 00:08Hi folks, just to clear a few things up, there was never a scheduled update for Canada. I think a lot of wishful thinking on everyone's part. The next planned update is major in its scope and requires tremendous amounts of man hours to accomplish. Basically the whole top half of the PU should be new.
MGU-H bearing failure is a result of unforeseen multi-directional stress on the shaft and entire casing that houses the bearings.
Should have, could have, would have..........Can't turn back the clock. This whole relationship between McLaren and Honda was rocky from the start and hasn't gotten smoother. We all Honda's performance failings thus far and McLaren has had its share of internal strife also.
I think some underestimate the amount of man-hours and MONEY it takes to put together a current F1 PU together from concept to race-track. Especially with less than half the budget and manpower of the other three.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing.tom101 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2017, 23:33everything has a limit, and this year without tokens is being worse
I still can not believe that Honda spend the whole 2016 year working with just a single piston engine. I understand that is more easy to manufacture and test improvements, but the fact that Hasegawa said, that they did not assemble the V6 until christmas to look for faults, for me seems a joke.
No offense, but trusting the entire season to a single-cylinder engine seems to me a too risky and irresponsible decision. Of course it's easy to talk after everything. But I'm mechanical engineer and I would never agree with that decision.MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑08 Jun 2017, 00:38Hindsight is a wonderful thing.tom101 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2017, 23:33everything has a limit, and this year without tokens is being worse
I still can not believe that Honda spend the whole 2016 year working with just a single piston engine. I understand that is more easy to manufacture and test improvements, but the fact that Hasegawa said, that they did not assemble the V6 until christmas to look for faults, for me seems a joke.
As Wazari-san has said many times - they were too excited in the "Research" (single cylinder) stage that they kept pushing the "Development" (full engine) stage further and further down the timeline. An easy trap to fall into when you see continuous improvements on the test stand. If you have ever been involved in engine design and development you would understand the trap.
The H could still be a separate housing and be bolted solid to the block.
As an Engineer myself I very much agree with you. If it was me I would probably skip the single cylinder stage all together. I was simply saying I can understand how they got themselves in the corner they did.tom101 wrote: ↑08 Jun 2017, 01:43No offense, but trusting the entire season to a single-cylinder engine seems to me a too risky and irresponsible decision. Of course it's easy to talk after everything. But I'm mechanical engineer and I would never agree with that decision.MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑08 Jun 2017, 00:38Hindsight is a wonderful thing.tom101 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2017, 23:33everything has a limit, and this year without tokens is being worse
I still can not believe that Honda spend the whole 2016 year working with just a single piston engine. I understand that is more easy to manufacture and test improvements, but the fact that Hasegawa said, that they did not assemble the V6 until christmas to look for faults, for me seems a joke.
As Wazari-san has said many times - they were too excited in the "Research" (single cylinder) stage that they kept pushing the "Development" (full engine) stage further and further down the timeline. An easy trap to fall into when you see continuous improvements on the test stand. If you have ever been involved in engine design and development you would understand the trap.
A v6 engine should be assembled , to measure correlation and detect problems.
I didn't know honda had less than a half resources than Renault, that certainly explains the difficulties they suffer. But at the same time it is sad because reduces my hope.
Thanks you very much Wazari san for keeping us informed
He doesn't live in Japan.MrPotatoHead wrote: ↑08 Jun 2017, 00:26Thanks for your view on things Wazari-san!Wazari wrote: ↑08 Jun 2017, 00:08Hi folks, just to clear a few things up, there was never a scheduled update for Canada. I think a lot of wishful thinking on everyone's part. The next planned update is major in its scope and requires tremendous amounts of man hours to accomplish. Basically the whole top half of the PU should be new.
MGU-H bearing failure is a result of unforeseen multi-directional stress on the shaft and entire casing that houses the bearings.
Should have, could have, would have..........Can't turn back the clock. This whole relationship between McLaren and Honda was rocky from the start and hasn't gotten smoother. We all Honda's performance failings thus far and McLaren has had its share of internal strife also.
I think some underestimate the amount of man-hours and MONEY it takes to put together a current F1 PU together from concept to race-track. Especially with less than half the budget and manpower of the other three.
I have been critical myself of Honda at times (usually when Alonso gets another DNF :/) but you are absolutely right - most people on here have no idea what it takes to build a high end race engine let alone one of the current F1 engines. I have some involvement in F1 and other race engines myself so I see what most do not.
I know Honda will get things right given enough time... I just hope that it's not the eve of the engine formula changing again!
Btw the next time I am in Japan I would like to buy you a glass of sake or two! Reading your input on these forums has always been nice for me.