Wazari, the person whose post was quoted in the post you quoted. He's a former PU engineer at HRD.ZakB wrote: ↑09 Jun 2017, 10:52Who says Honda's budget is half of everyone else's budget? I highly doubt that.
Wazari, the person whose post was quoted in the post you quoted. He's a former PU engineer at HRD.ZakB wrote: ↑09 Jun 2017, 10:52Who says Honda's budget is half of everyone else's budget? I highly doubt that.
An alleged former PU engineer at HRD. While I see no reason to doubt him, without proof positive I think it is wrong to state otherwise.
Check out muramasa translated interviews from hasagawa, in this thread some pages ago he never said Canada, he said they would bring it when they could asap, and Canada was an opportunity but it didnt come together, which he stated clearly many many times. I think he is erring on the side of caution, what use is it to bring the new spec, if it a) doesnt deliver power, or b) blows up due to bad reliability or c) both.. this is a wiser choice to hold off, more time is more time, even if c) still happens in azerbijian there was time to perform due diligence.diffuser wrote: ↑09 Jun 2017, 15:00What I don't get is if there was never an update scheduled for Canada, why is McLaren reacting like there was? Certainly if Wasari knew, McLaren must have.... Someone needs to sit down with Hasegawa and have a conversation about "setting expectations" with the world and especially McLaren.
Unless this is some sort of dance for the sponsers.
I think Wazari has proofed himself enough to most on this forum. Without proof disclaiming this, I think it is wrong to state otherwise.
Well, if compare them as pure performance at their timeframe lines of development, Honda is doing very well. They are in their 3rd (or 4th year) of F1 PU development but they already surpassed in terms of power the rest of PU manufactures in their respective 4th years. If they succeed this year making the Mercedes turbo configuration for just one year of development this will be amazing achievement. So, lets wait and see what will happen after the summer brake. Honestly, I can't understand the game of McLaren now. This attack on Honda seems useless, and potentially very damaging for McLaren itself.
j.yank wrote: ↑09 Jun 2017, 19:04Well, if compare them as pure performance at their timeframe lines of development, Honda is doing very well. They are in their 3rd (or 4th year) of F1 PU development but they already surpassed in terms of power the rest of PU manufactures in their respective 4th years. If they succeed this year making the Mercedes turbo configuration for just one year of development this will be amazing achievement. So, lets wait and see what will happen after the summer brake. Honestly, I can't understand the game of McLaren now. This attack on Honda seems useless, and potentially very damaging for McLaren itself.
We still hadn't seen what is the level of Honda this year - they are in process of development of split turbo Mercedes style and prechamber ignition, all of this in single year - if they succeed, this will be serious achievement. No other team has done this before. Also, still if you compare McLaren form this year with Ferrari last year, my claim is still valid - this year is 4th for McLaren, and the last year was 5th for Ferrari. This is natural to have reliability issues with such steep curve of learning.makecry wrote: ↑09 Jun 2017, 19:11j.yank wrote: ↑09 Jun 2017, 19:04Well, if compare them as pure performance at their timeframe lines of development, Honda is doing very well. They are in their 3rd (or 4th year) of F1 PU development but they already surpassed in terms of power the rest of PU manufactures in their respective 4th years. If they succeed this year making the Mercedes turbo configuration for just one year of development this will be amazing achievement. So, lets wait and see what will happen after the summer brake. Honestly, I can't understand the game of McLaren now. This attack on Honda seems useless, and potentially very damaging for McLaren itself.
Not really. Ferrari last year was better than Honda this year. You are not getting the whole situation correctly assessed. Honda's PU is slow and sucks in reliability. The season is 1/3rd in and they already are taking penalties, this has not happened for any other PU manufacturer, even Renault.
With good reason I'm afraid. The longer split turbo has only marginal benefits and was singularly the trickiest part of the entire Mercedes concept. Taking it on was a fools errand I'm afraid, especially when you are trying to master other unfamiliar concepts such as the combustion concept at the same time and you're still playing catch up to the other manufacturers.j.yank wrote: ↑09 Jun 2017, 19:26We still hadn't seen what is the level of Honda this year - they are in process of development of split turbo Mercedes style and prechamber ignition, all of this in single year - if they succeed, this will be serious achievement. No other team has done this before. Also, still if you compare McLaren form this year with Ferrari last year, my claim is still valid - this year is 4th for McLaren, and the last year was 5th for Ferrari. This is natural to have reliability issues with such steep curve of learning.makecry wrote: ↑09 Jun 2017, 19:11j.yank wrote: ↑09 Jun 2017, 19:04
Well, if compare them as pure performance at their timeframe lines of development, Honda is doing very well. They are in their 3rd (or 4th year) of F1 PU development but they already surpassed in terms of power the rest of PU manufactures in their respective 4th years. If they succeed this year making the Mercedes turbo configuration for just one year of development this will be amazing achievement. So, lets wait and see what will happen after the summer brake. Honestly, I can't understand the game of McLaren now. This attack on Honda seems useless, and potentially very damaging for McLaren itself.
Not really. Ferrari last year was better than Honda this year. You are not getting the whole situation correctly assessed. Honda's PU is slow and sucks in reliability. The season is 1/3rd in and they already are taking penalties, this has not happened for any other PU manufacturer, even Renault.