2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[PlatinumZealot]

Me too. I want to see McLaren and Alonso fighting for wins again, and at this rate I can't see Honda with a winning engine until 2019.

[waynes]

i think in the Sky coverage Martin Brundle said something about Honda developing the engine at Sauber away from the pressures of Mclaren.

While this is true to an extent i'm pretty sure Sauber want to be scoring regular points, not just being a test bed for Honda

[GoranF1]

Sometime mid 2018 or at latest 2019 Sauber will become factory Honda F1 team.

[etusch]

Who knows maybe from start of 2018 season Sauber Honda F1 team become our new team. At least mine

[GoranF1]

Who knows maybe from start of 2018 season Sauber Honda F1 team become our new team. At least mine

My team is what ever team Alonso drives for....

[diffuser]

If they said on Sunday that they're gonna wait till after the upgrade, I'm not sure why they would change their minds by Tuesday.

[diffuser]

Fed up with being a back marker as well.

[diffuser]

As agonising as it currently is I feel like it would be wiser to wait and see what the new engine regs will be before ditching Honda. Why switch suppliers near to the end of an engine era (when the Mercedes dominance will be smallest) when you don't yet know what the new ones will be like and so can't make an informed decision as to who is most likely to get it right.

Of course, Honda has struggled to adapt to the current engine woes compared to Renault and Ferrari so perhaps they'd be rubbish at building something competitive at the same speed as Mercedes even with new regs resetting the bar for everybody... but perhaps the new architecture might favour Honda a little more. And at least they'll have an engine built in conjunction with their own oils etc.

The new PU regs might be little or no change. Going backwards away from hybrid is a very low probability. They want noise so going forward to all electric isn't high on the probability list.

That leaves the same formula with homogenization of some parts to lower costs, no change at all or a freeze.

If they Freeze, they would allowing some Manufactures some leeway to catch up like they did in normaly aspirated v8 era.

[GoranF1]

If they said on Sunday that they're gonna wait till after the upgrade, I'm not sure why they would change their minds by Tuesday.

Maybe they tought before the race to give them one more chance but then changed their mind after the race....still hope upgrade will change things around for Mclaren Honda.

[diffuser]

If they said on Sunday that they're gonna wait till after the upgrade, I'm not sure why they would change their minds by Tuesday.

Maybe they tought before the race to give them one more chance but then changed their mind after the race....still hope upgrade will change things around for Mclaren Honda.

I think the only reason why McLaren are waiting around is the Money.

[Edax]

i think in the Sky coverage Martin Brundle said something about Honda developing the engine at Sauber away from the pressures of Mclaren.

While this is true to an extent i'm pretty sure Sauber want to be scoring regular points, not just being a test bed for Honda

But that is different from Mclaren expecting to fight for a championship with the first iteration.

The relationship with mclaren was very asymmetric from the start. You had an established championship contenter with two championship drivers paired with a fresh engine manufacturer.

I am pretty confident that when the details come out Honda felt compelled or was in some cases even pressured to take high design risks. Making a car which runs reliably at the back of the field was and still is no option for Mclaren, they have to be top 10 if only to be able to fund their outfit. With Sauber that is not as black and white and they can compromise to make a stable development platform.

Pressure can be good. However all or nothing means that in some cases you end up with nothing.

[toraabe]

I hope the Mercedes deal includes Petronas fuel and lub. as well as latest engine maps...

They have to. When they used mobile fuel, they were 50 HP down on the cars using petronas. Now the engine is developed and calibrated using the primax fuel. I don't think Mercedes will allow other fuel being used.

[j.yank]

OK, can someone explain, why Toto Wolf would give Mercedes engine to McLaren, after declining to supply RedBul?

[Manoah2u]

OK, can someone explain, why Toto Wolf would give Mercedes engine to McLaren, after declining to supply RedBul?

brand image. the association of mercedes powering supercars vs mercedes and a can of second hand urine.

[Manoah2u]

I hope the Mercedes deal includes Petronas fuel and lub. as well as latest engine maps...

They have to. When they used mobile fuel, they were 50 HP down on the cars using petronas. Now the engine is developed and calibrated using the primax fuel. I don't think Mercedes will allow other fuel being used.

while i do think a specifically constructed oil/fuel will bring influence an engine's potential to operate on 100% capacity, i think 50 hp is a rather too high number.

figures like that are like 2016 Ferrari engine vs 2017 Ferrari engine, not something another high-performance oil product will fail to achieve. a dozen HP at max i'd say, not 50.