Honda Power Unit Hardware & Software

[HPD]

For Baku, HondaHier has the right product on Amazon.de! A part of the build-up in baggage that was supposed to debut in Canada. There are different statements about the scope of the package. Honda has advised McLaren 12 hp, but this could be deliberately deeply stacked, in order not to have to explain afterwards, why less than promised. From other sources, we hear that almost half of the PS's profit was mobilized, which Honda wanted to reach with the conversion to the prechamber ignition. That would be about 30 hp.

McLaren will try the modifications on the internal combustion engine, turbocharger and MGU-H in Friday training. This costs both drivers. Both have five turbochargers and MGU-H in the pool. Friday is a test "Family Safety Drive" on the Hockenheimring - join now and win !. Honda must first check whether the characteristics correspond to the operations on the engine. If the driveability suffers, on Saturday the old engine specification is backed up.

AMUS: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 86461.html

[GoranF1]

For Baku, HondaHier has the right product on Amazon.de! A part of the build-up in baggage that was supposed to debut in Canada. There are different statements about the scope of the package. Honda has advised McLaren 12 hp, but this could be deliberately deeply stacked, in order not to have to explain afterwards, why less than promised. From other sources, we hear that almost half of the PS's profit was mobilized, which Honda wanted to reach with the conversion to the prechamber ignition. That would be about 30 hp.

McLaren will try the modifications on the internal combustion engine, turbocharger and MGU-H in Friday training. This costs both drivers. Both have five turbochargers and MGU-H in the pool. Friday is a test "Family Safety Drive" on the Hockenheimring - join now and win !. Honda must first check whether the characteristics correspond to the operations on the engine. If the driveability suffers, on Saturday the old engine specification is backed up.

AMUS: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 86461.html

So is it going to be 30 after the pre chamber mod or is it going to be 60 after the change?

[HPD]

For Baku, HondaHier has the right product on Amazon.de! A part of the build-up in baggage that was supposed to debut in Canada. There are different statements about the scope of the package. Honda has advised McLaren 12 hp, but this could be deliberately deeply stacked, in order not to have to explain afterwards, why less than promised. From other sources, we hear that almost half of the PS's profit was mobilized, which Honda wanted to reach with the conversion to the prechamber ignition. That would be about 30 hp.

McLaren will try the modifications on the internal combustion engine, turbocharger and MGU-H in Friday training. This costs both drivers. Both have five turbochargers and MGU-H in the pool. Friday is a test "Family Safety Drive" on the Hockenheimring - join now and win !. Honda must first check whether the characteristics correspond to the operations on the engine. If the driveability suffers, on Saturday the old engine specification is backed up.

AMUS: http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/form ... 86461.html

So is it going to be 30 after the pre chamber mod or is it going to be 60 after the change?

I think it means 30 in total.. 12 now and in the next update another 18.
I'm not sure

[fellowhoodlums]

A lot will be how it's delivered rather than just the number.

[godlameroso]

They really should just talk about speed at end of straight, in Canada they were roughly 15kmh down, just like they were in China. So in those terms would this update close that gap by 5-6kmh?

Also does that mean the Honda engine has not been running TJI this whole time, and instead, has been using an adapted version of last year's heads on this year's engine block? That would actually explain a lot. I guess their hand was forced, and resulted in them developing TJI in the background while they adapted the combustion system of last year to this year's design.

They probably couldn't introduce TJI because it was blowing up engines, so they had to show up with something, and adapted last year's head to the completely revamped engine architecture, which naturally caused all sorts of problems. I guess finally they've gotten some sort of grasp on the system and feel they've made enough progress to race it.

Hope it works out for them, but I'm not expecting anything until the last quarter of the season.

[HPD]

From @muramasa.

GP Canada

Alonso - FP1
Hasegawa:
- Hydraulic pressure has dropped, so brakes, steering, gearbox and everything has lost its control, so we had no choice but to stop the car there.
- I cannot disclose the location of the leak, but it has leaked from PU part. However the cause of the leakage itself was minor issue of loose joint rather than something broken down. Either it was loose from the beginning, or got loose in the middle.
- Oil has entered inside the V bank as well, so we had to detach induction box etc for that (cleaning) task, so it was such painstaking work. We worried it wouldn't be completed in time for FP2, but mechanics have done exceptional job.

Sunday
Hasegawa:
- In terms of performance, we were not competitive enough to fight against FI, but we've done pretty good against Williams. On the other hand, fuel consumption was severe.
- There was no prior sign/warning at all, it happened all of a sudden. It's extremely disappointing esp because we were bound to score a point.
- It's obviously engine blow. We haven't identified the cause yet, but this is the first time in a really long while that engine itself has broken down, and it's the first time ever this season.
- It must be purely about something of ICE has burnt, snapped/torn, bitten or broken etc, I reckon.
We have to bring it back to Sakura and investigate it to identify the exact cause, but it was mechanical malfunction. -
It was introduced in the afternoon of Friday, then run Monaco, and Canada here, so in terms of mileage this ICE hasnt been used much.
- ICE itself has seldom broken down so far, so we didn't really worry about its reliability. That's what's disappointing for sure, but what's even more shocking is that we lost point just before taking the flag.
- There has been no trouble in reciprocating system in engine itself until now, besides we never had such instances where we failed to score point just before we were going to due to engine trouble, so in that sense I'm shocked by the fact that we lost point due to engine trouble.

[etusch]

They really should just talk about speed at end of straight, in Canada they were roughly 15kmh down, just like they were in China. So in those terms would this update close that gap by 5-6kmh?

Also does that mean the Honda engine has not been running TJI this whole time, and instead, has been using an adapted version of last year's heads on this year's engine block? That would actually explain a lot. I guess their hand was forced, and resulted in them developing TJI in the background while they adapted the combustion system of last year to this year's design.

They probably couldn't introduce TJI because it was blowing up engines, so they had to show up with something, and adapted last year's head to the completely revamped engine architecture, which naturally caused all sorts of problems. I guess finally they've gotten some sort of grasp on the system and feel they've made enough progress to race it.

Hope it works out for them, but I'm not expecting anything until the last quarter of the season.

by looking hasegawa san's explanation I understand that they can't use fully efficienct ice because of ice's power income lesser than ers power loss when they get ice works properly so they dont want lost ers power.

[GoranF1]

12 hp is a joke.

[fellowhoodlums]

So is it going to be 30 after the pre chamber mod or is it going to be 60 after the change?

I think it means 30 in total.. 12 now and in the next update another 18.
I'm not sure

I am reading this as Honda saying 12hp to downplay expectations but they think it's more like 30hp. And that 30hp is half what they are expecting to gain but they have held back that other part of the update.

[etusch]

12 hp is a joke.

12 is if continously come along the season. Of course I wish it 30

[GoranF1]

So is it going to be 30 after the pre chamber mod or is it going to be 60 after the change?

I think it means 30 in total.. 12 now and in the next update another 18.
I'm not sure

I am reading this as Honda saying 12hp to downplay expectations but they think it's more like 30hp. And that 30hp is half what they are expecting to gain but they have held back that other part of the update.

This is how i hoped it says....someone who knows german can maybe be more precize whit translation?

[HPD]

The new engine will only work on Friday, with Alonso. If all goes well, it will stay.
Vandoorne: Engine will change but not evolved.
https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 1618306048 https://twitter.com/AlbertFabrega/statu ... 5209247744

[HPD]

I think it means 30 in total.. 12 now and in the next update another 18.
I'm not sure

I am reading this as Honda saying 12hp to downplay expectations but they think it's more like 30hp. And that 30hp is half what they are expecting to gain but they have held back that other part of the update.

This is how i hoped it says....someone who knows german can maybe be more precize whit translation?

A news from Spain says that the evolution of the engine will have between 12 to 30 CV for baku

[GoranF1]

Vandoorne: Engine will change but not evolved.

New concept?

[fellowhoodlums]

If the difference to Mercedes is 100hp - this brings it down to 70, second part of that update before summer break is another 30hp (if they can make it work) then the spec 3 engine brings it down further to....?

ok, lots of if's and but's and maybe's and if they are just 30hp down at end of season.....I'd take that as long as it's reliable.