2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Singabule]

PU update 0.3 sec/lap
Chassis update 0.1 sec/lap
Alonso 0.6 sec/lap
Rain

15€/Alonso victory

Yeah, compared to Stoffel time indeed..

[etusch]

PU update 0.3 sec/lap
Chassis update 0.1 sec/lap
Alonso 0.6 sec/lap
Rain

15€/Alonso victory

If Alonso doing already his best ( I think he does ) there shouldn't be difference at his side ( of course f1 drivers drive in a different mode when smells the victory, even if the driver is Ralf Schumacher ). If Pu brings 0.3 ( I hope so ) and chassis 0.1 (totally 0.4 sec ) I think they will be in a good position compared races until now. I am more hopefull after reading Alo's and especially Hasegawa's exitement about race.
This track is shortest in the celendar. I wonder that expected 0.3 sec still the same for this track ?

[Big Mangalhit]

If Honda engine can't harvest and deploy the full allowance per lap as efficient as the Mercedes then a shorter track can favour them. Still I think the high they can aim is low points finish but we never know

[HPD]

Hasegawa: “Normally we don’t disclose how much power we have gained but in this circuit (Baku), the gain is more than two or three tenths with the new engine."

I don't think the profit in Austria is much (I hope I am wrong)

[Manoah2u]

yet still they had such benefit that sauber was able to outdrag them on performance [with a year-old Ferrari engine], it was Mclaren's Aero that won that battle so they could overtake them.

[GhostF1]

Hasegawa: “Normally we don’t disclose how much power we have gained but in this circuit (Baku), the gain is more than two or three tenths with the new engine."

I don't think the profit in Austria is much (I hope I am wrong)

They didn't even get to finish the PU test program with Alonso not doing full pace runs because of the gearbox failure according to Hasegawa. And not to mention his most recent quotes say they have progressed further with the mapping in Sakura based on findings in Baku and they won't stop until the last minute before the GP. Mix that with the fact Hasegawa thought the update at Baku brought "more than 3 tenths"(I also doubt he's even close to overestimating), it's reasonable to assume the PU has progressed further since Baku and they've made a decent chunk of time. McLaren also bringing a chassis update. Things are looking possibly up.. (all appendages crossed)

[Xero]

yet still they had such benefit that sauber was able to outdrag them on performance [with a year-old Ferrari engine], it was Mclaren's Aero that won that battle so they could overtake them.

They didn't race with the new PU update, only tested it briefly in practice.

[Thunder]

....and Sauber is afaik still running in detuned mode due to cooling Issues.

[Singabule]

345 kph in baku with tow with unoptimized mapping is a real progress for honda tbh. No way Alo gonna reach podium unfortunately.

[godlameroso]

yet still they had such benefit that sauber was able to outdrag them on performance [with a year-old Ferrari engine], it was Mclaren's Aero that won that battle so they could overtake them.

They didn't race with the new PU update, only tested it briefly in practice.

Because it takes time to fully map the power unit under all conditions it encounters. It's easy to get a base map and get the engine working for full throttle pulls, but that's only the beginning, then you have to fine tune it, for part throttle, and different power unit modes. Then there's the ERS that has to be calibrated to take maximum advantage of the hardware changes.

[godlameroso]

If the gap is ~2 seconds, cutting out half a second from that gap and on a short track like this, they can be as close as they were in Monaco, I won't be surprised if they're a little slower, and very pleasantly surprised if they're faster than 1.3 off the pace. Car should reach Q3 guaranteed Q2 from here on out.

[diffuser]

Gap in Canada was 2.2 seconds, gap in Baku was over 3 seconds. A few tenths won't make much difference. They need to find 2 seconds to have any real impact.

Hard for me to gauge the Gap ...the lap is short in Austria. It's 2/3irds the legth of Baku. Just on that a 3 sec gap would be 2.

The long straight at Baku was close to 3Km. I don't think any of the straights in Austria are more than 1 KM.

[Andres125sx]

First, Hasegawa didn´t say the update was worth 2-3 tenths, he said it´s worth more than 2-3 tenths wich in my eyes is purposely innacurate to keep their politics about not showing too much optimism to the media.

Add to that what he said about the mapping being improved in Sakura, and I think we can see a noticeable jump forward in Austria. Sadly that does not mean they will fight for podiums as they´re too far back right now, but as we say in Spain, before running you must learn to walk.

If they can make a noticeable step forward that will be enough to jump many midfielders, as the fight behind the top three teams is fierce with several cars and teams in few tenths or even the same, so any tenth improvement will make a difference

I really think (or hope, not sure ) this update should make McHonda a regular Q3 team

[proteus]

I just hope it does not happen as it happened many times so far. Failure in practice, resulting in changing the components and penalties which mean last staarting spot on the grid.

[ZakB]

I just hope it does not happen as it happened many times so far. Failure in practice, resulting in changing the components and penalties which mean last staarting spot on the grid.

I'm pretty sure McLaren reached a point that they only care about performance. It's easier to make a quick engine reliable than the other way around.