Fernando Alonso

[Belatti]

Belatti:

If you were ferrari, and had to pick someone to team up with Kimi in 2009, would you take Nando or Vettel?

I think Nando ruined his chances with the Scuderia with his attempted blackmail of McLaren last year.

Remember, if he did that in Italy, he would already be "missing".

Chris

Yeah... I know that THE GODFATHER would give him "special treatment" if he did that in La Rossa.

With a Good car, taking Nando would leave other teams with no chances, Ferrari would win Billions and we would remember McLaren 88-89 era. Taking Vettel would be a challenge for Kimi but he would be still No1.

So basically its a matter of the degree of conservatism you can have.

I´m wild so I´ll choose Fernando and Kimi (in Ferrari or any other top team).
Obviously, the 10 ton contract would have to make him clear that equipment is the same for both and that complaining to the press is penalized with Million dollars.

[DamSchu]

The Renault may only be fair to middling, but Fernando did certainly drive a fine race and earned his points haul. After all, you've got to be in it to win it. Nontheless it does seem sad to hear FA responding to the McLaren bait inevitably offered up by the media. He's not purged the anger and resentment of 07 and i fear we may never again see the pure, unadulterated racer that gave us so much joy - and that's a shame...

[jwielage]

I still don't quite understand how the burden of what happened last year at McLarren is laid solely of FA's shoulders. Ok, I admit it, I'm an Alonso fan, but I am also reasonable enough to look at both sides equation. Fernando certainly could have conducted himself better than he did at McLarren. At times is behavior was out of line and childish. But lets be realistic here, who was Ron Dennis' favorite immediately from the start? Clearly, LH. In addition we are talking about a team that was kicked out of the constructors championship because of their possession of stolen technical data. Look, I'm not sure that they deserved the punishment that was handed to them. However, can we really believe that Top management didn't know about this? I find it hard to believe Mike Coughlan was the only one who knew. In addition, why does no body remember Lewis Disobeying team orders thereby starting most of the drama?

These facts stated, why is it that Fernando Alonso's behavior the only dubious part of the season that people remember. I'm not trying to bash McLarren, they are a great team and Hamilton is a great driver. FA was the scape goat plain and simple. So I am sick and tired of hearing all the BS about his behavior, it is total crap.

[sebbe]

Fernando certainly could have conducted himself better than he did at McLarren. At times is behavior was out of line and childish. But lets be realistic here, who was Ron Dennis' favorite immediately from the start? Clearly, LH.

It doesn't matter who Dennis' favourite was; if FA had been a better driver (and a real man) he wouldn't had minded and would had outperformed Lewis without Ron's love.

In addition, why does no body remember Lewis Disobeying team orders thereby starting most of the drama?

Because he didn't try to blackmail Ron Dennis when he couldn't race faster and better than his team mate.
FA was OK with McLaren's possession of stolen Ferrari data, but when he couldn't outperform newbie Lewis he lost it and tried to outperform him by threatening Ron.
That makes him a bad person. Bad and stupid, I might add.


At the beginning I was no Lewis fan, I rather picked FA as my favourite driver. But after seeing the results in the track I couldn't help but become a Lewis fan.

Finally, I don't think he will be welcome at Ferrari because that behaviour and because he told at the end of 2006 that as long as Renault's car wasn't red he would support them.
If there's anybody at Ferrari with a little of self respect and honor they won't hire him.
That's a big IF given Ferrari history...

[Militia Est Vita]

I agree with the idea that Fernando will have a hard time trying to move to Ferrari next year also because he will be treated equally or No. 2 next to Kimi, however, If Lewis ends up WC this season, I can see Ferrari teaming up Kimi and Fernando to stop Mclaren in 2009, The Kimi-Alonso duo will also fill their pocket's with lots of money IMO.

[captainmorgan]

I'd rather see Alonso in a off-form Renault starting from the midfield than a repeat of 2007, or even 2001-2004, which is what Hamilton reminded me of in Australia. The best action is always in midfield, and when Alonso is no 1, he lets it go to his head.

[Hudsonhawk.]

Fernando Alonso has told a Spanish radio station that he will not wait forever for Renault to produce a better car.

The former double world champion finished fourth in the attrition-fuelled 2008 season opener last weekend, but Renault's R28 was not among the fastest single seaters in Australia.

"I have a lot of patience," he answered to a question from Cadena SER, "but if we begin to finish races in poor positions, the patience will slowly go.

"At the moment there is no other thing to do but work and motivate the entire team to a level of 100 per cent."

Alonso, 26, says the R28 has a lot of potential, but he estimates the current deficit to the front at eight tenths in qualifying and a full second per lap in the races.

"This is a lifetime," he explained.

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ALONSO STATES THE RENAULT IS A FULL SECOND OFF THE RACE PACE....SO HOW MUCH TIME/VALUE DOES HE BRING?? WHATS THE POINT OF HAVING THE DOUBLE WORLD CHAMP?? IF THEY FIND ANOTHER SECOND, THEN SURELY A ROOKIE CAN DO JUST AS GOOD A JOB IN THE RENAULT....(like lewis did last year)....IS ALONSO SAYING THAT EVEN WITH THE AIDS GOING OUT THE DOOR ITS STILL ABOUT THE CAR??? IS THIS THE NIDDEN MESSAGE HERE...

Sigh.....now we have the whinging about mclaren ecu's and the dangers of not having engine braking.....i dont know about you all but watching slot cars is boring!!!

Regards
Beer Brain

[DaveKillens]

Despite the fact that last year was one of the worst for Alonso, and even the fact I was pulling for Hamilton, I still like Alonso ... as a racer. Put him in a car and he's still one of the very best. In fact, I consider him the most complate driver on the F1 grid.
And please remember that these guys live under a microscope, and under immense pressure. The press is hanging on, hoping to capture something to print, and the juicier the better. Things get taken out of context, things get blown way out of proportion, and in the end, it's hard to pick out the heroes and villians. Of course the honeymoon is over and we will never look upon Fernando in the same way .. the innocence is gone. But he's one heck of a pilot.

[Spencifer_Murphy]

I'm wondering if the Renault would be 1.6seconds off the pace in a race? Seeing as Alonso reckon's that he's capable of bringing 6 tenths to a car over the course of a winter.

Least that's what he said last year - what's changed Fernando? Could it be that (Shock - Horror) he was lying last year?

Like Davekillen's said, I too have a lot of respect for Alonso, as a racer. However personally, like I've said before, I lost repect for him on a personal level after last year. Because of lies and allegations like the above. He can say it all he likes, and some believed him last year, because the Mclaren was 6 thenths quicker than the previous year. Was it all Fernando? (Because if it was then that 780page dossier had nothing to do with it right? )

Of course it's not all come from Fernando, those were the words of an agrieved driver venting his frustrations last year. Otherwise if it really were true the renault would be much faster this year (and mclaren shouldn't have been penalised for gaining unfair advantage using Ferrari secrests, seeing as all the 6 tenths came fron 'Nando)

I really wish he keeps his head down, develops the R28 as we know he can over the course of a season, and let his track work do the talking. Hopefully we'll see the same Fernando we all came to like between 2001 & 2006.

The campain for the good old Fernando starts here for me!

[donskar]

I'm no fan of Alonso, but I want to see him do well, too - if only to add a bit more excitement and competition. He deserves praise and gets a lot of criticism, largely because he lets his human-ness show. He is not a plastic media creation.

This quote is interesting by way of comparing two great champions:

"I have a lot of patience," he answered to a question from Cadena SER, "but if we begin to finish races in poor positions, the patience will slowly go.

"At the moment there is no other thing to do but work and motivate the entire team to a level of 100 per cent."

Michael Schumacher would have spoken aloud only the second sentence. That, imho, sets the two very far apart.

ALONSO STATES THE RENAULT IS A FULL SECOND OFF THE RACE PACE....SO HOW MUCH TIME/VALUE DOES HE BRING?? WHATS THE POINT OF HAVING THE DOUBLE WORLD CHAMP?? IF THEY FIND ANOTHER SECOND, THEN SURELY A ROOKIE CAN DO JUST AS GOOD A JOB IN THE RENAULT....(like lewis did last year)....IS ALONSO SAYING THAT EVEN WITH THE AIDS GOING OUT THE DOOR ITS STILL ABOUT THE CAR??? IS THIS THE NIDDEN MESSAGE HERE...

On this point, I suppose it's possible that WITHOUT Alonso, the Renault would be even slower. Again, the distinction: Alonso says (in essence) "I make the car go faster." Michael would say, "I thank the team for working so hard and doing a great job."

[donskar]

I'm no fan of Alonso, but I want to see him do well, too - if only to add a bit more excitement and competition. He deserves praise and gets a lot of criticism, largely because he lets his human-ness show. He is not a plastic media creation.

This quote is interesting by way of comparing two great champions:

"I have a lot of patience," he answered to a question from Cadena SER, "but if we begin to finish races in poor positions, the patience will slowly go.

"At the moment there is no other thing to do but work and motivate the entire team to a level of 100 per cent."

Michael Schumacher would have spoken aloud only the second sentence. That, imho, sets the two very far apart.

ALONSO STATES THE RENAULT IS A FULL SECOND OFF THE RACE PACE....SO HOW MUCH TIME/VALUE DOES HE BRING?? WHATS THE POINT OF HAVING THE DOUBLE WORLD CHAMP?? IF THEY FIND ANOTHER SECOND, THEN SURELY A ROOKIE CAN DO JUST AS GOOD A JOB IN THE RENAULT....(like lewis did last year)....IS ALONSO SAYING THAT EVEN WITH THE AIDS GOING OUT THE DOOR ITS STILL ABOUT THE CAR??? IS THIS THE NIDDEN MESSAGE HERE...

On this point, I suppose it's possible that WITHOUT Alonso, the Renault would be even slower. Again, the distinction: Alonso says (in essence) "I make the car go faster." Michael would say, "I thank the team for working so hard and doing a great job."

[Hudsonhawk.]

donkeystar

the renault wouldnt be slower without alonso because if alonso was able to bring 6 tenths to a car he would have wipe the floor with hamilton last year (but a rookie out did him...LOLLLL). You see alonso is no different to shoemaker. Like shoemaker did his whole career, he wants his team mate supressed and in doing this his abilities seem far more superior....its all about perception. He didnt get this at mooclaren and we all know where that ended up and how costly this was for mooclaren.

now where will aloafso get his number one status with a money tree machine.....hmmmm, fartrarri yeah....

after rappingmens disasterous weekend i wonder if the red rats will be chasing him if they havent already got him.

[zirpas]

donkeystar

the renault wouldnt be slower without alonso because if alonso was able to bring 6 tenths to a car he would have wipe the floor with hamilton last year (but a rookie out did him...LOLLLL). You see alonso is no different to shoemaker. Like shoemaker did his whole career, he wants his team mate supressed and in doing this his abilities seem far more superior....its all about perception. He didnt get this at mooclaren and we all know where that ended up and how costly this was for mooclaren.

now where will aloafso get his number one status with a money tree machine.....hmmmm, fartrarri yeah....

after rappingmens disasterous weekend i wonder if the red rats will be chasing him if they havent already got him.

wow i just call that envy,Hudsonhawk¡¡we didnt see the same races last year,do you rembember who said this:"we weren´t racing ferrari ,we were racing fernando" well just the same "honorable" man who celebrates the overtakin´of FA by HK as they won
the champ.lol

[P_O_L]

This quote is interesting by way of comparing two great champions:

"I have a lot of patience," he answered to a question from Cadena SER, "but if we begin to finish races in poor positions, the patience will slowly go.

"At the moment there is no other thing to do but work and motivate the entire team to a level of 100 per cent."

Michael Schumacher would have spoken aloud only the second sentence. That, imho, sets the two very far apart.




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That is not true and a bit weird to conclude this is the main difference between them 2. Shumi was a big critic of the car after race 1 of the 99 chsmpionship.

ALonso claiming he brougt 6 tenths to mclaren is perhaps not such a bad statement. Mclaren was nowhere before spyga..err alonsos arrival. Since he came mclaren starts improved dramatically to the same level as the trend setting renaults (eventhough in the end, it was off course the ted chapski made electronics of the renault team). Alonso was the one who just drove 2 years in a championship winning car to say what areas lacked and wich did not. He also was the guiding light in terms of setting up a car. The Great Hamilton, with 9 years of mclaren grooming, did not have, and judging from last weekends race, still doesnt have a clue how to do that.

[DaveKillens]

You know POL, my spin is different. The McLarens improved when Hamilton arrived, and still are easily the second best car. When Alonso left they still ran well. Meanwheile, Renault just plain suck, and lookity lookity, Alonso's there.. so does he do a good job, or suck? Let the pace of the cars tell.

Whew, it's tough slinging so much bullshit. To be honest I have much more respect for Alonso, and despite renault's problems, is definitely one of the best drivers.

Oh, and by the way, when a hero-worshipping "person" starts to put words in his hero's mouth, you know they are reaching... far into their fantasy. Instead of saying what Michael might have said, just print quotes you can prove. It's really getting deep in the BS around here.