2017 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 14-16 July

[dans79]

Bottas very slow or made some mistakes?

Locked up turn 1.

[Sevach]

Hamilton Pole Lap:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZwRQdYkPb8

After all the talk he's not full flat anywhere...

[TAG]

Bottas very slow or made some mistakes?

Perhaps similarly to Hamilton last week, just set up for a different race tomorrow.

[Shrieker]

Bottas very slow or made some mistakes?

Perhaps similarly to Hamilton last week, just set up for a different race tomorrow.

That's what i thought as well. But was Hamilton's setup really any different than Bottas last Sunday ? If it was, it really didn't look that way tbh.

[ema00]

https://streamable.com/anz6j

that is clearly a stop for grosjean, anyway I didn't want a penalty... a yellow card would have been ok

[TAG]

Bottas very slow or made some mistakes?

Perhaps similarly to Hamilton last week, just set up for a different race tomorrow.

That's what i thought as well. But was Hamilton's setup really any different than Bottas last Sunday ? If it was, it really didn't look that way tbh.

He was complaining about too much front wing. It's never certain. Perhaps the too much front wing was due to the temperature differences. Shouldn't see temp differences tomorrow, we'll know more.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Bottas very slow or made some mistakes?

Perhaps similarly to Hamilton last week, just set up for a different race tomorrow.

The concern for Bottas should be that, the track being a "high speed/high downforce" circuit, the wake of leading car is bound effect the chasing car way too much and following a car through the high speed section is going to cause a lot of headache. So, getting into DRS is going to be tricky and hence, overtaking is going to be difficult. Unless the chasing car is more than a second faster, the overtaking is near to impossible.

So, Bottas has to save his car from the midfield chaos at the start, conserve his tyres in first stint and once people start pitting, should take advantage to move up the positions. If he can have a good start and jump a few places, that would be bonus. If he cook his tyres in first stint, trying hard to overtake the cars, then he is going to be at loss.

[Shrieker]

https://streamable.com/anz6j

that is clearly a stop for grosjean, anyway I didn't want a penalty... a yellow card would have been ok

Wow that looks really hairy

[LionKing]

None of what you have mentioned, is worse than a driver deliberately banging his car with another car. So, as per FIA standards, a honest apology is enough to get out of the bigger crime, then in this case, even an apology isn't required. Still, Lewis has apologized. That's big.

That wouldn't have been a stupid analogy, had Vettel not received any penalty for that. He got one that costed him about 30 sec.

I just watched the video into the final corner. That is slam down impeding.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

Let's talk about performance difference between Mercedes and Ferrari. Half a second is increasingly becoming a common sight, especially with Lewis' time in qualifying. Even with the upgrades, Ferrari is tailing off the qualifying pace. With Mercedes managing to take care of the tyres better now, Ferrari is slowly losing out in races too. Though Ferrari is not that far off in races, the overtaking is difficult with these cars and with Mercedes managing the strategic calls better than Ferrari, there seems to be no light for Ferrari.

Oh, and the abusive version of Vettel is out again! That's a sight to watch (err.. hear) !

[TAG]

Let's talk about performance difference between Mercedes and Ferrari. Half a second is increasingly becoming a common sight, especially with Lewis' time in qualifying. Even with the upgrades, Ferrari is tailing off the qualifying pace. With Mercedes managing to take care of the tyres better now, Ferrari is slowly losing out in races too. Though Ferrari is not that far off in races, the overtaking is difficult with these cars and with Mercedes managing the strategic calls better than Ferrari, there seems to be no light for Ferrari.

Oh, and the abusive version of Vettel is out again! That's a sight to watch (err.. hear) !

Vettel is the one burning oil now, not the Ferrari in qualifying.

[Wynters]

None of what you have mentioned, is worse than a driver deliberately banging his car with another car. So, as per FIA standards, a honest apology is enough to get out of the bigger crime, then in this case, even an apology isn't required. Still, Lewis has apologized. That's big.

I'm not sure when two wrongs started making a right? I'm also fairly sure that Vettel did get a penalty, no?

[TAG]

None of what you have mentioned, is worse than a driver deliberately banging his car with another car. So, as per FIA standards, a honest apology is enough to get out of the bigger crime, then in this case, even an apology isn't required. Still, Lewis has apologized. That's big.

I'm not sure when two wrongs started making a right? I'm also fairly sure that Vettel did get a penalty, no?

I think you're missing the part about the penalty not being a DSQ from the race and potentially from the season.

[Shrieker]

You know how everyone's equal, but some are more equal If that had been a Ferrari instead of Grosjean, there was a higher probability that it was going to be a penalty, a reprimand and/or license points.

On another note, you gotta look at the total net outcome too. People say Grosjean had another lap and the previous situation probably did not affect his final grid spot. IMHO, same could be said about the Baku incident. Had Vettel caused Hamilton to retire with the impact, surely he would've received a much harsher penalty than a mere stop/go. Isn't that the same with judicial systems in the modern world ? If you hit someone with a car and cause a casualty, surely you're gonna get a much harsher sentence compared to when you hit somebody and they get away with a broken leg.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

None of what you have mentioned, is worse than a driver deliberately banging his car with another car. So, as per FIA standards, a honest apology is enough to get out of the bigger crime, then in this case, even an apology isn't required. Still, Lewis has apologized. That's big.

I'm not sure when two wrongs started making a right? I'm also fairly sure that Vettel did get a penalty, no?

I think you're missing the part about the penalty not being a DSQ from the race and potentially from the season.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2556 ... -incidents

On the final lap at the wet Spielberg circuit, Audi's Timo Scheider, a two-time champion of the German touring car series, was lining up a move on sixth-placed Robert Wickens at Turn 2, only for both drivers to be passed by the latter's Mercedes team-mate and then-championship leader Pascal Wehrlein.

As the trio accelerated toward Turn 3, Scheider received a radio message from Dr. Wolfgang Ullrich—normally so gracious in both victory and defeat when representing Audi at the Le Mans 24 Hours—who told his driver: "Schieb ihn raus."

According to Motorsport.com's Charles Bradley, that translates to "push him out," and Scheider duly followed the doctor's orders, nudging Wickens under braking and sending both Mercedes cars into the deep, unforgiving depths of the gravel trap.

While Scheider was disqualified from the official results shortly after the race, the retrospective action taken by the German Motor Sports Association was firm and decisive, which is the sign of a well-governed motor-racing series.

The only difference here is, the team principal asking his driver to do it and Vettel doing it all by himself.

10 second stop&go penalty was awarded to so many drivers for unsafe release in pit lane, even where it did not damage anything. So, a 10 second stop&go for Vettel's incident in Baku, was absolutely nothing.

SO, comparing Hamilton's block (so called) to Vettel's incident is simply funny. If possible refrain from commenting on this topic, as we do not want to take this discussion any further. To you is your and to me in mine (Opinions of course).