2017 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 14-16 July

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Vasconia wrote:
16 Jul 2017, 09:45
PlatinumZealot wrote:
15 Jul 2017, 21:10
I am expecting an ugly fight between the two Ferraris. Kimi is not rolling over just because wunderkid commands it! Don't be surprised if it ends in tears tmorrow.
Vettel will jump Kimi after the red light if not he will make an undercut. There is no need to use the team radio like other drivers have done. They will speak about it before the race. I dont expect any drama about it.
Agreements with Multi 21 guy? LOL
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TAG wrote:
16 Jul 2017, 13:17
Agreements with Multi 21 guy? LOL
When they favour Mr. Multi-21 then it's all good. :wink:

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bonjon1979 wrote:
16 Jul 2017, 11:55
iotar__ wrote:
15 Jul 2017, 16:57
It doesn't get any clearer in terms of impeding so FIA produced this #-o :
"...potentially have been affected by the presence of Hamilton at Turn 16, he was not impeded,”

- it means basically that it was a clear penalty but we didn't give it because we like some drivers more.
- Potentially? Potentially means driving was dangerous and cost time unless (potentially) aliens would teleport the other car. What other potential situation would cause this loss of time to be theoretical and not deserving a penalty? This way you can justify any cheating.

- This completely fraudulent organization has a nerve to give grid penalties for slowing down under yellows to help another marketing chosen one and shout about safety.
Have to say as a Hamilton fan it looked like a slam dunk penalty. He was dawdling in the final corners preparing for his lap.

There is no excuse but I do think that the stewards have made a rod for their own back bay admitting that SEB wasn't disqualified because they didn't want to effect the championship. Essentially that IS a decision that affects the championship. Now with this Hamilton non penalty it feels like they're trying to even it up. maybe it's the right call in some ways, they both got a let off but where does it end? Each situation needs to be judged on its merit otherwise you have stewards determining the fate of the championship and it will be devalued because of it.
Without having access to the data I think it is not that black and white. Gros indeed lost time on that corner due to Hamilton. But he lost it mainly on the exit of the chicane, that is clearly visible in the footage by Hamilton pulling away. If he would be able to follow Ham then he would be a few tenths of a second quicker which is the time he claims he has lost a( he would even have a tow)

It might be that Grosean was not physically impeded by Hamilton, in the sense that he could have taken the chicane at qualifying speed without crashing in to Hamilton. The fact that Hamilton was accellerating into the corner while Gros was braking into the corner makes that difficult to judge. But I think that is likely since Ham was aiming for the perfect exit (and thus highest possible apex speed) and the apex was were they came closes to each other.

So in that scenario the time was lost due to Gros unsure about what Hamilton was going to do or why he was lingering on end of the straight, stayed too long on the brakes or was too late on the throttle and thus compromised his exit.

If the data shows that Gros did not braked earlier or harder than other laps then it becomes a matter of judgement. Personally I would say it was a penalty, because Ham presented Gros with a situation which was almost impossible to get right, scrapping his fastest lap seems like a suitable one. But it is not that clear cut.

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Was Hamilton on a preperation lap before his fast lap? If yes, how can one expect him or any driver to compromise his build up at the last corner to accomondate another driver already on a hot lap? Any rules on this specifically?
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Phil wrote:
16 Jul 2017, 13:31
Was Hamilton on a preperation lap before his fast lap? If yes, how can one expect him or any driver to compromise his build up at the last corner to accomondate another driver already on a hot lap? Any rules on this specifically?
Mercedes screwed up and said they'd forgotten accounting for Grossjean so Hamilton was unaware of him. should he have known, it wouldn't be a discussion. But Mercedes keep shooting themselves in the foot because they feel I guess with Hamilton they can afford to? Don't know.

Regarding the 1-2 driver situation, here's the deal. Mercedes hare trying to win a WCC, that's their goal and they've proven that many times over, which of their drivers wins a championship is secondary. Ferrari on the other hand are ONLY trying to win the driver's championship. They know that's the only thing within their reach. So different goals will lead to different tactics. On the one side you have Vettel that will always get the nod when it comes to who they'll finish ahead. On the other you have a team that will only give the nod to their lead driver when it doesn't change the results for the team. Vettel has no and has always enjoyed that number one status in the team. It was that way in Red Bull, it's that way in Ferrari and that's all he's ever known. Hamilton on the other hand has never been in a team that would primarily focus on him as the number one driver. You can argue all you want but you'd be pissing into the wind with that. Leave things there. Vettel likes it his way, Hamilton can live with it his way. Now let's enjoy today's racing.
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Martin Brundle food poisoned by Ferrari.
Always find the gap then use it.

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bauc wrote:
16 Jul 2017, 13:05
Is rain expected during the race?
Maybe light showers like 0.2mm / 0.3mm.

There can be light showers during start of the race, then a dry part and near the end again some light rain.
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Man... Palmer just cant get a break, can he.... he desperately needs a good showing, but one cant help all odds are against him. :/
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To bad for Palmer. He doesn't deserves this...

Someone needs to tell Kimi needs to move over if Vettel is on his ass. He's was holding him up and giving VES the opportunity to pass. :(
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Nice "help" by Kimi, backing Vettel into Verstappen. So much for No2 driver and Vettel being helped ;-)

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Verstappen doing a Verstappen again....

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Mandrake wrote:
16 Jul 2017, 14:29
Verstappen doing a Verstappen again....
Looked more like a Rosberg to me... :D :lol:
Don`t russel the hamster!

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Man guys, you gonna hate me, i am at the beach in Mallorca with Nikki Beach next door and am glued to the Autosport ticker.

Verstappen making a lot of fans i think. Go go go Max!
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That was another move under braking. :wtf:
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PIT KIMI NOW YOU MUGS.
Dont leave him out to dry
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