2017 British Grand Prix - Silverstone, 14-16 July

[Moose]

Vettel is losing the nerve game in this championship.

His driving has been pretty scrappy the past few races, for sure. Which reminds me - Vettel did screw up his tires defending against Bottas, so that rather explains the blow up for him too.

That said, to be fair, Mercedes are clearly winning the development war at the moment.

[ripper]

What a bad result for Ferrari. Now they need a great deal of luck to stay ahead... Maybe, but that's gonna be hard, they can gain some points in Hungary but I think that SPA and Monza are going to be a 1-2 for Mercedes

[Moose]

I think Merc are going to be clearly ahead in Hungary too - it's a medium/high speed downforce track, and Merc's big advantage today was through the high speed downforce section.

I think the only track that Ferrari can expect to mount a serious challenge at at this point is Singapore.

[Jano11]

I think Merc are going to be clearly ahead in Hungary too - it's a medium/high speed downforce track, and Merc's big advantage today was through the high speed downforce section.

I think the only track that Ferrari can expect to mount a serious challenge at at this point is Singapore.

High speed and high downforce track all in one, in Hugaroring?

[Jano11]

Vettel is losing the nerve game in this championship.

There's not much to win when the Ferrari is so slow compared to Mercedes, plus the team is pants when it comes to strategic decisions. Maybe he should start questioning the pitwall decisions again, like he did earlier this season.

[bonjon1979]

Wow, what a massive --- up by Ferrari - how do you manage to miscalculate tire life that badly?

To be fair, vettel damaged his tyre himself really badly when he locked up defending bottas.

[basti313]

Bottas did more laps with a heavier car tho. The tires are just inconsistent or can't handle a couple of laps of overtaking moves.

Bottas did those laps in a different car though. The fact that both Ferraris had the exact same failure at pretty much the exact same point in the stint says to me that that's just the limit of what those tires can do on that car.

The fact that other teams were concerned about their life backs that up.

Hmmm....Vet destroyed the tire with a lockup. All clear. Very bad pace, fronts were done after the fight with Bot.
But Rai was
- still 2-3 sec faster, pace ~like Bot, so no sign on the pace for worn tires.
- still 5 laps younger tires and failed tire before Vet's failed tire.

This is not a predictable tire wear issue...

[basti313]

Vettel is losing the nerve game in this championship.

His driving has been pretty scrappy the past few races, for sure. Which reminds me - Vettel did screw up his tires defending against Bottas, so that rather explains the blow up for him too.

That said, to be fair, Mercedes are clearly winning the development war at the moment.

That is the most problematic point for the Championship. Silverstone is a "standard" track and Bot wins against the Ferraris from P9. Forget the rest of the season...

[Jano11]

Vettel told them 5 laps earlier that his tires had been blistering for 20 laps already.
RedBull covered for an issue that happened on another team's car, yet Ferrari didn't bother to bring Vettel in knowing what had happened to Raikkonen.
Looks to me like a huge Ferrari pit wall mistake, their place is at the casino, not in a highly competitive environment.

[TAG]

Pirelli made out of crap again

Let's not start playing the blame game. Only Ferrari screwed the pooch today.

[Jano11]

What a bad result for Ferrari. Now they need a great deal of luck to stay ahead... Maybe, but that's gonna be hard, they can gain some points in Hungary but I think that SPA and Monza are going to be a 1-2 for Mercedes

Luck?
Luck can not win you championships, only hard work can do that. They should take a good look in the mirror and start working hard and bring some real updates. If Mercedes has a new suspension system that is so much better, then Ferrari should also have one, a better one even.

[proteus]

Pirelli made out of crap again

Let's not start playing the blame game. Only Ferrari screwed the pooch today.

The way it happened, it was almost epicly ironic.

[RZS10]

in the sky interview Vettel is putting the blame on Pirelli ... lol ... although he massively flatspotted his already poor tyre defending against Bottas ... so instead of keeping it's integrity it completely went compared to Kimi's ...

it was HAM RAI BOT VET ... then Kimi had the issue, there was no reason to gamble with Vettel, he would have kept his position with VER stopping, he potentially would have lost one position but they went for P3 and lost big time

Mercedes was massively faster than Ferrari, Lewis was just cruising

[rssh]

Merc has been slight ahead since the Spain update (except Monaco), the season seen to be done I think , hoping Bottas to flight hard with HAM for championship.

[Moose]

I think Merc are going to be clearly ahead in Hungary too - it's a medium/high speed downforce track, and Merc's big advantage today was through the high speed downforce section.

I think the only track that Ferrari can expect to mount a serious challenge at at this point is Singapore.

High speed and high downforce track all in one, in Hugaroring?

That's not what I said - I said a medium/high speed downforce track - i.e. a track that requires downforce at medium and high speeds. It certainly isn't a high speed track (i.e. one with lots of straights).