2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Singabule]

So Brown cant found major sponsor in one year only. Honda is promising in every aspect, bank account included. The End.

[Vasconia]

My point was that Ferrari Ran a year and then made adjustments (between the 1st and 2nd year) in a less restrictive token system. Honda came in the 2nd year.

Anyways I think the real issue was that Ferrari just didn't get it as wrong as Honda did the first year.

Honda came in(as they did this year) with what appeared to be a not so tested PU. I keep thinking back to what Wazari said in early Spring testing. He said he kept trying to get the young Buck Honda Engineers to stop adding improvements to the PU and start testing them and he was kind of ridiculed because of that. They accused him of something, not sure exactly what.

Anyways we are ever closer to the TRUE spec 3. We have a non power track coming up then a month off (1.5 Months total). Hopefully by then we'll have the full true spec 3...I'M hoping that since a part of the Spec 3 has been introduced they are fewer variable that can go wrong in the remainder of that spec 3.

Its true that at least Ferrari´s PU was reliable but it had no power, so even with less restrictive token system the improvement was great.

For Spa and Monza I hope they can bring the 4.0 update which will mark Honda and Mclaren´s future.

[Gerhardsa]

Mclaren NEEDS to bulid their own engines or invest in Rikardo.

Why would you think McLaren (who have zero engine building experience alone) would be any better off...
Also why would heavy investment into Ricardo be any better than Honda?

These claims are more absurd than anything else suggested. It's all based on absolutely zero evidence they could get the job done. McLaren might have a couple supercars and Ricardo might supply some turbo V8's (with all due respect to the company), but that does not translate into a definite, immediately successful F1 entry. What a gamble.. and a ludicrously costly one at that.

Not to mention, it will be for 2 maybe 3 years left of this engine formula. Someone that makes that decision should be fired immediately (if it happened) but this will never happen. Absolute Zero chance

[vantage87]

Mercedes and Ferrari are unwilling to provide McLaren with a 2018 engine because they "like us where we are" That’s the opinion of McLaren chief Zak Brown who has hinted the Woking team will stay with Honda next season.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... 018-engine

[bauc]

Mercedes and Ferrari are unwilling to provide McLaren with a 2018 engine because they "like us where we are" That’s the opinion of McLaren chief Zak Brown who has hinted the Woking team will stay with Honda next season.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... 018-engine

Finally some truth spoken in the air.

[Pany]

The moment Alonso will sign with Renault or quit F1 is approaching, as I said before. Last chance the private Tests for Honda next week to prepare a better Engine for next 3 races; if spec 3/4 will not show significant improovement in power and reliability in 2 month time Alonso quit Honda.

Mercedes and Ferrari are unwilling to provide McLaren with a 2018 engine because they "like us where we are" That’s the opinion of McLaren chief Zak Brown who has hinted the Woking team will stay with Honda next season.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... 018-engine

Finally some truth spoken in the air.

[BosF1]

The moment Alonso will sign with Renault or quit F1 is approaching, as I said before. Last chance the private Tests for Honda next week to prepare a better Engine for next 3 races; if spec 3/4 will not show significant improovement in power and reliability in 2 month time Alonso quit Honda.

Mercedes and Ferrari are unwilling to provide McLaren with a 2018 engine because they "like us where we are" That’s the opinion of McLaren chief Zak Brown who has hinted the Woking team will stay with Honda next season.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... 018-engine

Finally some truth spoken in the air.

Wait, what? Would you care to elaborate about the private tests? Seems like an unfounded claim.

[Thunder]

No Private Test. They are testing Tires for Pirelli today and tomorrow. You can't develop your Car there. https://twitter.com/svandoorne/status/8 ... 6312983552

[Jef Patat]

They can't test, but every m that Honda drives will learn them something. Every m is a testing one for Honda.

[alexa]

The moment Alonso will sign with Renault or quit F1 is approaching, as I said before. Last chance the private Tests for Honda next week to prepare a better Engine for next 3 races; if spec 3/4 will not show significant improovement in power and reliability in 2 month time Alonso quit Honda.

Mercedes and Ferrari are unwilling to provide McLaren with a 2018 engine because they "like us where we are" That’s the opinion of McLaren chief Zak Brown who has hinted the Woking team will stay with Honda next season.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... 018-engine

Finally some truth spoken in the air.

Hasegawa said that Honda could introduce a Spec 4 engine before the year is out as they look to put pieces into place for next season.Having said that, Spec 4 might not be introduced this season at all.

[Andres125sx]

Ecclestone has long had an explanation for that.

Well not a long explanation, but pure rumours. Its hard to believe that a team helps their rivals but I can´t deny it because I have obviously no information to do it.

Mercedes helped Ferrari? Lol, what actually happened is that Ferrari just threw some money towards the Mercedes guys that were responsible for engine development. This is the only way to make progress, but Honda still seems to think that they can do it on their own.

Sincerely, that´s a depressing point of view if you think Honda can´t do things by their own.

People keep ignoring to obvious facts:

1- Honda is far from a garagist. They have the money and resources to succed, period.
2- 3-4 seasons of development has been standard for most succesful F1 teams... but that was without tokens restrictions!!!

But now, on third year of develpment with huge token and allocation restrictions, people keep assuming Honda has no clue, the project has failed and they should move to their previous and unsuccesful partership with Mercedes...

If many succesful teams needed 3-4 seasons before winning without tokens, McHonda should need at least 4-5 seasons before suceeding

We all want to see them winning now, but we must keep real

[Mad]

Mercedes and Ferrari are unwilling to provide McLaren with a 2018 engine because they "like us where we are" That’s the opinion of McLaren chief Zak Brown who has hinted the Woking team will stay with Honda next season.
http://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12433/ ... 018-engine

But why do some people here think Mclaren can switch to Merc engines anytime they want despite Mercedes not being interested?

[santos]

Well not a long explanation, but pure rumours. Its hard to believe that a team helps their rivals but I can´t deny it because I have obviously no information to do it.

Mercedes helped Ferrari? Lol, what actually happened is that Ferrari just threw some money towards the Mercedes guys that were responsible for engine development. This is the only way to make progress, but Honda still seems to think that they can do it on their own.

Sincerely, that´s a depressing point of view if you think Honda can´t do things by their own.

People keep ignoring to obvious facts:

1- Honda is far from a garagist. They have the money and resources to succed, period.
2- 3-4 seasons of development has been standard for most succesful F1 teams... but that was without tokens restrictions!!!

But now, on third year of develpment with huge token and allocation restrictions, people keep assuming Honda has no clue, the project has failed and they should move to their previous and unsuccesful partership with Mercedes...

If many succesful teams needed 3-4 seasons before winning without tokens, McHonda should need at least 4-5 seasons before suceeding

We all want to see them winning now, but we must keep real

In the begining it was because the others had started the development three years later, now it's because of the tokens... They can have the Money, the resources, but it seems that they will have this engine working properly by the time it will be replaced.

[GoranF1]

https://twitter.com/hlawiczka/status/887613953056100352 @ZakB why didnt you told us you were working on this?

[Andres125sx]

In the begining it was because the others had started the development three years later, now it's because of the tokens... They can have the Money, the resources, but it seems that they will have this engine working properly by the time it will be replaced.

In the beginning it was the same as in the end, a new project at a highly risky era as there was development restrictions wich will unquestionably make it a lot more difficult for them to catch up.

If you didn´t notice and was expecting them to succed as soon as in previous eras without restrictions that´s a different matter