2017 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, 28-30 July

[ChrisDanger]

Obviously, both Hamilton and Kimi were pushing hard at the start

This is your data, graphically. I've zoomed in on the "normal" laps, i.e. from the first flying lap of the race, so it didn't just all appear flat. But I'm not sure that it's particularly "obvious" they were pushing in the beginning of the stint.

[Fifty]

Anyone else find it a tad suspicious that all of a sudden a Ferrari B team are trying to jam up Hamilton as Ferrari seem to have lost a significant step in pace to Mercedes, are falling further back in the WCC and would to most people seem to be about to fall behind in the WDC as well? Hamilton who always blocks and always has, is only being complained about in the past two races of which while the Grosjean one LOOKED bad, it was pretty obvious he wasn't actually blocked at all.

That same thing crossed my mind. And then I looked a little closer at The Who and the what's.

It almost seems that the media were pushing the Hamilton was the victim in Baku so hard because people were reading it... and now that it has worn through. As well as hami claiming the victim...
...and the media realizes that people want safety or potential safety drama from whoever where ever... and the practices and quals are so boring now, the media is jumping on what ever they can get.
So now the innocent victim is now cause of potential safety issues in an otherwise boring day at the track... so it is report away...

Seems less conspiracy and more "it's the only juicy thing being said or done".

[F1NAC]

Hamilton 3 times in a row fails to make proper time

https://youtu.be/n4OdBwiK2Sc

[GPR-A duplicate2]

BOT clearly went harder at the start (and hence faster) and you can see greater deg as a result.

when the lights go at the start, drivers really push hard and especially the leader, to get out of the DRS zone (on full tanks that should put highest pressure on tyres). But then you see, the tyres don't give up all that off and you would see the pace keeps improving before the driver starts managing it.

HI know that Hungary and Silverstone are pretty different tracks with different characteristics. Showing deg at Silverstone has absolutely no baring on what we can expect at Hungary;

Different tracks, but results are always the same. I have selected the driver times where they had relative straight start and raced hard at the start and pointing here subsequent pattern of NO degradation impact.
So, I disagree with your assessment that, going harder at the start fetches faster times but will have greater degradation. No.

[ChrisDanger]

when the lights go at the start, drivers really push hard and especially the leader, to get out of the DRS zone

What are you seeing in the data that shows this? I'm not seeing especially fast times in the beginning of a stint, and in particular at the British GP Hamilton was out of the DRS zone at the end of lap 1 (according to this).

[f1316]

when the lights go at the start, drivers really push hard and especially the leader, to get out of the DRS zone (on full tanks that should put highest pressure on tyres). But then you see, the tyres don't give up all that off and you would see the pace keeps improving before the driver starts managing it.

HI know that Hungary and Silverstone are pretty different tracks with different characteristics. Showing deg at Silverstone has absolutely no baring on what we can expect at Hungary;

Different tracks, but results are always the same. I have selected the driver times where they had relative straight start and raced hard at the start and pointing here subsequent pattern of NO degradation impact.
So, I disagree with your assessment that, going harder at the start fetches faster times but will have greater degradation. No.
https://i.gyazo.com/2963c8a5b182a291d75 ... 306bf7.png

The original point was about long runs in FP2 - do they are do they not appear to indicate degradation (for all cars)?

[matt_b]

They say its Monaco without the barriers and Ferrari looks planted out there in FP3 much like they were in Monaco. On a side note I never understand why Mercedes don't run 2 sets of SS because it gives them 2 chances to set up the car around that tyre for qualifying.

[GPR-A duplicate2]

when the lights go at the start, drivers really push hard and especially the leader, to get out of the DRS zone

What are you seeing in the data that shows this? I'm not seeing especially fast times in the beginning of a stint, and in particular at the British GP Hamilton was out of the DRS zone at the end of lap 1 (according to this).

It's a general understanding. Unless, you prove that no car really pushes at the start and they all do a relaxed start and then slowly pick up the pace!

[ChrisDanger]

[Sevach]

Mercedes looking a bit of handful in FP3.
Massa out for the rest of the weekend it seems.

Shame about Ricciardo.

[basti313]

They say its Monaco without the barriers and Ferrari looks planted out there in FP3 much like they were in Monaco. On a side note I never understand why Mercedes don't run 2 sets of SS because it gives them 2 chances to set up the car around that tyre for qualifying.

I am rather surprised, that everyone else used two sets. Counting the tires...most used 5 out of their 9 SS tires in FP. Makes 4 left...so who goes to Q3 does not have anything left for a second run in Q1 or Q2.

[Treble]

Should be an easy one for Mercedes, barring any drama. Long run times, especially for Bottas shows a large gap to Ferrari and then Red Bull. One thing is for sure, Unlike RB, both Merc and Ferrari would be running their PU components in a very conservative mode. The situation is so reminiscent of Baku.

Here are the long run times.

https://i.gyazo.com/afe0d3392c493ad1d04 ... 8c8356.png

Yeps, i think they are hiding their true potential, especially Hamilton. It looks like Ferrari is easier to drive with this track condition. Btw as we learned before Mercedes make always surprise on Saturday afternoon.

[WaikeCU]

Lewis only 2 tenths quicker than Vandoorne's Mclaren, surely they are hiding. Would not be surprised when they turn up the engine in quali. Any chance they are still doing their program of yesterday because of all the red flags in FP1&2?

[Sevach]

Weird way of hiding their strenghts, going off track on every corner.

[matt_b]

I don't think there is any hiding going on this reminds me a lot of the Monaco weekend, Ferrari to lockout the front row again and those who said its a Ferrari track congrats.