2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

[Alonso Fan]

It's interesting to see that people refer to a red bull Honda works deal as sweet and lucrative despite the current state of the power unit. I hope mclaren Honda can also turn into a sweet and lucrative works deal

[loner]

iam sure Honda want a work deal with Redbull at some point but i imagine they won't find better atmosphere than Williams.

[Sasha]

PU

Facts
McLaren and Honda have an airtight contract until 2021(broken by either party will cost that party big $$$)
McLaren has veto rights to stop Honda supplying an other team.(against FIA rules)
FIA is involved now to get McLaren to not use their veto and supply a gearbox to a second team.

Second hand talk(50-70% facts)
McLaren is smearing Honda in the public to embarrass them so much that Honda will break contract and McLaren gets a huge paycheck(100-200 million).
McLaren does not have the money to break the contract.

Rumors
McLaren is trying to get the FIA to force MB or Ferrari to supply them a PU for the better of the sport.(it is no good for the sport that McLaren can't compete)

So unless Honda breaks the contract, McLaren and Honda are married until 2021.

[RS200E]

Sorry if someone else has posted this but Prost said it would be a matter of a few days or a week that a decision will be made about all this Renault McLaren stuff.

[diffuser]

PU

Facts
McLaren and Honda have an airtight contract until 2021(broken by either party will cost that party big $$$)
McLaren has veto rights to stop Honda supplying an other team.(against FIA rules)
FIA is involved now to get McLaren to not use their veto and supply a gearbox to a second team.

Second hand talk(50-70% facts)
McLaren is smearing Honda in the public to embarrass them so much that Honda will break contract and McLaren gets a huge paycheck(100-200 million).
McLaren does not have the money to break the contract.

Rumors
McLaren is trying to get the FIA to force MB or Ferrari to supply them a PU for the better of the sport.(it is no good for the sport that McLaren can't compete)

So unless Honda breaks the contract, McLaren and Honda are married until 2021.

Good stuff thanks.
Just want to point out that the "McLaren veto" wasn't against FIA rules at the time the contract was signed. Also it isn't always against FIA rules, just in certain circumstances.

[hemichromis]

Good stuff thanks.
Just want to point out that the "McLaren veto" wasn't against FIA rules at the time the contract was signed. Also it isn't always against FIA rules, just in certain circumstances.
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Christian Horner just mentioned yesterday that Red bull have veto on Renault engines, according to Sky.

[Sasha]

What I was told is Honda will not break the contract and is in talks with F1 owners about McLaren sharing dirty laundry(that hurts F1 image).

McLaren.. seeing that Honda will not break the contract are now in talks with Renault(looking for a cheap price on PU and cheap price or paying drivers).

Talking to Honda to let them out of contract without penalty.

Also pushing Honda to TR by finally agreeing to lease their gear-box to TR.

So for this to happen!
1st Honda must allow it to happen without asking for cash penalty from McLaren.
2nd TR must sign with Honda(FIA will only let this move happen.....Honda must be in the field in 2018)
3rd McLaren is going to need to find alot of cash fast or will have to fire alot of staff(they will not be able to pay Alonso unless he races for dirt cheap or free)

[Sasha]

Good stuff thanks.
Just want to point out that the "McLaren veto" wasn't against FIA rules at the time the contract was signed. Also it isn't always against FIA rules, just in certain circumstances.

Christian Horner just mentioned yesterday that Red bull have veto on Renault engines, according to Sky.
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If Red Bull allows it and there is a good chance they will have their factory engine deal in 2019.Let Honda improve it in 2018 with TR.

[mclaren111]

Is McLaren's chassis really that good? Red Bull manages to get virtually to the front row of the grid, overcompensating their awful engine in these wet conditions. McLaren is only P10 and P14 with a chassis that should star in these conditions, as the team claims it's up there with the top teams. Surely, not P2, but you'd expect a better result than this under heavy rain. I'd be happy to hear if someone disagrees. Not trying to step on anyones toes here.

No, you're correct. The McLaren chassis is a piece of crap. Williams and Force India have one of the best chassis. Ferrari is also crap. It's probably caused by the superior driveability of the Renault, but hey, that's not the one you guys want right. Image what will happen when it's dry on Sunday and McLaren are driven around with a wet setup.

Alonso:

“I think we were potentially top five or top six today, so we hope for these conditions tomorrow. It’s apparently going to be sunny though, but we’ll see what we can do from there.”

Stoffel:

“I’m happy with my performance today. Unfortunately, we didn’t get to have a proper go in Q3 – we had a loss of engine power so I had to abandon my quicker lap, and we don’t know what the problem is at the moment.

It’s a shame because I really think we could have pushed our way further up. We could have taken more time to find the limit and taken a few more risks, but we didn’t get that chance.”

I think their chassis is close enough to top 3 for now and is on a good development path. 2018 will be even better.

Matt Morris and Peter Prod is doing great work !!!!

[RedNEO]

First hasewaga finally admitted that Alonso's engine did have a problem in spa with the propeller and that parts needed to be changed (but it was perfectly fine a week ago) now today stoffel vandoorne has a 25 place grid penalty. Hopefully people will not be so quick to jump to Honda's defence like this again.

[RedNEO]

Stoffel has been through three engines in a week and a half. That's the entire allocation for next year. Good luck with that whoever takes there engines next year.

[BosF1]

McLaren will not get Renault Formula 1 engines next year unless Toro Rosso switches to Honda, with insiders suggesting it is now too late for a fourth supply to be made available.

Ahead of a crunch day of talks to decide the future of Honda in Formula 1, McLaren is awaiting news of what happens with Toro Rosso before it can finalise its engine situation for 2018.

Red Bull chiefs, who are heavily involved in the Toro Rosso/Honda discussion, have set a deadline of tonight for a deal to be completed before they deem it too late for a switch to happen.

A green light for Honda to tie up with Toro Rosso would free up its Renault customer supply, which could then be moved across to McLaren.

However, if Toro Rosso cannot get things sorted, then it will remain with Renault for 2018 - leaving McLaren in a tricky situation.

Although McLaren has been hoping that Renault could be persuaded to expand its supply to a fourth team, sources have suggested that the French manufacturer has come to the conclusion such a move is now all but impossible.

With much of its 2018 planning already firmed up, and parts already on order or being prepared, adding an extra supply deal beyond Red Bull, Toro Rosso and its works team could put too much strain on Renault.

Sources have suggested that FIA rules that guarantee an engine must be made available for a team will not be triggered if McLaren parts ways with Honda, because deadlines for that procedure to be activated have now passed.

Should Toro Rosso stay put with Renault, then McLaren would face a scenario of being forced to stick with Honda, or trying to find an 11th hour deal elsewhere if it decided that carrying on with the Japanese manufacturer was impossible.

Reliability concerns

Renault F1 managing director Cyril Abiteboul said his company's reluctance to have an extra deal had been further entrenched by recent reliability problems.

With a variety of causes behind its engine woes, Abiteboul said Renault needed to focus on the three deals it currently had.

"It is touching different areas of the engine, and it can come from different type of suppliers or different areas from design to production, to operation and engine build and so on," he told Autosport.

"It is many little different things that need to be addressed. The whole thing has to improve in quality, but I have all the confidence in the management structure to do that.

"And frankly, and that is one of the reasons why we do not want to have more customers than we already have.

"We do not want to dilute the effort that goes into next year and to the fact that next year's engine will be designed in a very reliable manner.

"It was very difficult this year because everything was changed.

"Next year there will be big improvement in terms of performance but in terms of architecture it will be the same as this year."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13161 ... or-mclaren

[Andres125sx]

I wonder if the situation would be this intense if Fernando wasn't there? His desperation for title has transferred into McLaren and all they are thinking right now is short term gains. I would've understood if it was Mercedes but Renault? 3 of the 6 Renault cars will take Power unit penalty at Monza, fantastic right? so much better than that crappy Honda.

If Torro-rosso gets the Honda deal then as soon as Honda improves Redbull will clinch that magical "works' team deal. Anyway since Honda already has good partnership with Redbull outside of F1 it might not be a bad deal for Honda either. Alonso's gone in 2 years anyway, McLaren will be left to rue their knee-jerk decision.

Have fun paying for those grid penalties! At least Honda pays you for grid penalties.

Even when I fully agree with the rest of your post, the bolded part looks ridiculous to me... Do you really think it´s only Alonso who is desperate for a title? Then what´s the reason McLaren stopped using best PU on the grid because they only were a custormer team?

McLaren is as desperate as Alonso, they were who decided Honda might be a better bet to Mercedes customer team, that´s a VERY HIGH risk bet, and they started considering this seriously much before Alonso return to McLaren was a mere posibility. Actually Alonso return was Honda demand, so it was the other way around, McLaren desperation to win titles again forced them to rely on Honda, who demanded Alonso as a requirement for their return to F1.


So the situation is far from "McLaren is being forced by Alonso´s urgency", it´s McLaren urgency what put them in current situation, nothing more and nothing less. The decision to stop using Mercedes PUs was his own, and the only reason for that was a desperate attempt to be able to fight for titles again, much before Alonso return to McLaren

Hech even Alonso return to McLaren show how desperate is McLaren to win titles again

[ZakB]

Honda is a joke, another engine, lol.

[BrunoH]

Rumor today is they are going to cut Honda and will be public tomorrow officialy