Porche seems to be heading towards Redbull, so unless Mclaren pours their own money into making their own/Cosworth engines, midfield is where they will stay.dren wrote: ↑15 Sep 2017, 12:47Yes, this is what I was getting at. Ironic, that the decline started the last time Fred was in the car. I remember when people thought Hamilton was crazy for jumping ship to Mercedes.Jacinto wrote: ↑14 Sep 2017, 23:12Mclaren decline goes way back to 2007. Spygate started the chain of events that brought Mclaren to where it is today.
Until 2007, Mclaren was Mercedes "works team", and had been so for more than a decade. I believe that Mercedes was a Mclaren´s shareholder.
After that scandal, Mercedes set to establish his own team, buying Brawn GP and renaming it "Mercedes AMG Petronas"; Mclaren become just another customer and started the path to midfield trailing his former nemesis, Williams.
Honda was Mclaren´s last chance to return to greatness under current engine rules. Now, it´s clear that Mclaren decided to be midfielder, at least until 2021.
I dont recall the Silverstone mistake, have to google it. But he stayed in contention in the championship by getting points whenever he could, one or two mistakes in a season is understandable but is also quite rare from him.
I've said it before, but I genuinely think that Mclaren will get better support from Renault than RBR will in 2018. Renault have said that their team won't be in a position to win next year and RBR are heading to another supplier, so I can see them thinking as Mclaren as being their best shot at wins in 2018...
Virtually everyone believed he was crazy to go to Merc. No one, including Lewis, could have possibly known the Mercedes would become an impossible car to beat. I personally think the utter domination surprised even Mercedes.dren wrote: ↑15 Sep 2017, 12:47Yes, this is what I was getting at. Ironic, that the decline started the last time Fred was in the car. I remember when people thought Hamilton was crazy for jumping ship to Mercedes.Jacinto wrote: ↑14 Sep 2017, 23:12Mclaren decline goes way back to 2007. Spygate started the chain of events that brought Mclaren to where it is today.
Until 2007, Mclaren was Mercedes "works team", and had been so for more than a decade. I believe that Mercedes was a Mclaren´s shareholder.
After that scandal, Mercedes set to establish his own team, buying Brawn GP and renaming it "Mercedes AMG Petronas"; Mclaren become just another customer and started the path to midfield trailing his former nemesis, Williams.
Honda was Mclaren´s last chance to return to greatness under current engine rules. Now, it´s clear that Mclaren decided to be midfielder, at least until 2021.
What the hell you talking about decline.dren wrote: ↑15 Sep 2017, 12:47Yes, this is what I was getting at. Ironic, that the decline started the last time Fred was in the car. I remember when people thought Hamilton was crazy for jumping ship to Mercedes.Jacinto wrote: ↑14 Sep 2017, 23:12Mclaren decline goes way back to 2007. Spygate started the chain of events that brought Mclaren to where it is today.
Until 2007, Mclaren was Mercedes "works team", and had been so for more than a decade. I believe that Mercedes was a Mclaren´s shareholder.
After that scandal, Mercedes set to establish his own team, buying Brawn GP and renaming it "Mercedes AMG Petronas"; Mclaren become just another customer and started the path to midfield trailing his former nemesis, Williams.
Honda was Mclaren´s last chance to return to greatness under current engine rules. Now, it´s clear that Mclaren decided to be midfielder, at least until 2021.