2017 Singapore Grand Prix - Marina Bay, 15-17 September

[djos]

Full wets will be the race tyre.

We should be assigning odds for who crashes out 1-10...

Max takes out Seb within the first lap and Danny Ric cruises home for the win with Kimi 2nd and Hamilton 3rd.

[Zynerji]

I say Alonso, Ocon, Hulk top 3 after Bottas hydroplanes into turn 1, and destroys the top 6.

If it's a standing wet start, I feel it's going to be carnage. They couldn't stay of the walls in the dry!

[garyjpaterson]

I say Alonso, Ocon, Hulk top 3 after Bottas hydroplanes into turn 1, and destroys the top 6.

If it's a standing wet start, I feel it's going to be carnage. They couldn't stay of the walls in the dry!

Turns out it was the 2017 version of Singapore 2008, Bottas given a big bonus at stopping Lewis/Merc losing a ton of points to Ferrari at their worst track

[atanatizante]

From hero in Monza (Merc, FI and Williams) to zero here ... it`s kinda coincidence or this track is showing the present pecking order in downforce (or traction) levels?

Difference between Vettel and RB guys was mainly down to the first sector (which is a power one) being 5-6km/h faster
Then on sector 2 and 3 when downforce and tractions comes into play they were all on par, so taking into account Vettel factor on this track it means that RB car has the upper hand when in comes to DF&traction ...

Merc car - particularly in Lewis case - was losing 2 tenths in every sector and most of all it was curios to see that being at the same top speed like Ferrari in speed trap 1 they were lagging 2 tenths behind ...

Now had you see Vettel`s, Max`s and Ricci`s laps compared to Lewis or Bottas you can easily see how aggressively they attack the kerbs, especially on Vettels case in turns 10,11,14,15,16,20 and 21 ... (you need to see what he was doing after taking turn 20!) ... and this is how you could earn those 6 tenths between them ... yeah, came out of the car but you have to have confidence also in your car to do these reckless driving ...

Tomorrow, should be a wet race or not, it`ll be interesting to see if Vettel could afford to have a clash with Max at the start ... and when two are fighting in most cases the third would prevail (or maybe the fifth? )

Also interesting to see Ferrari`s form on a wet track ... on intermediates should be fine but on full wets they were beaten in Monza even by Force India ... or maybe the higher track temps will get they inters into their operations window? ... it will be interesting to know what track temps are when it rains here ...

[WaikeCU]

From hero in Monza (Merc, FI and Williams) to zero here ... it`s kinda coincidence or this track is showing the present pecking order in downforce (or traction) levels?

Difference between Vettel and RB guys was mainly down to the first sector (which is a power one) being 5-6km/h faster
Then on sector 2 and 3 when downforce and tractions comes into play they were all on par, so taking into account Vettel factor on this track it means that RB car has the upper hand when in comes to DF&traction ...

Merc car - particularly in Lewis case - was losing 2 tenths in every sector and most of all it was curios to see that being at the same top speed like Ferrari in speed trap 1 they were lagging 2 tenths behind ...

Now had you see Vettel`s, Max`s and Ricci`s laps compared to Lewis or Bottas you can easily see how aggressively they attack the kerbs, especially on Vettels case in turns 10,11,14,15,16,20 and 21 ... (you need to see what he was doing after taking turn 20!) ... and this is how you could earn those 6 tenths between them ... yeah, came out of the car but you have to have confidence also in your car to do these reckless driving ...

Tomorrow, should be a wet race or not, it`ll be interesting to see if Vettel could afford to have a clash with Max at the start ... and when two are fighting in most cases the third would prevail (or maybe the fifth? )

Also interesting to see Ferrari`s form on a wet track ... on intermediates should be fine but on full wets they were beaten in Monza even by Force India ... or maybe the higher track temps will get they inters into their operations window? ... it will be interesting to know what track temps are when it rains here ...

Well, I guess if it's wet, you won't be able to attack the kerbs...

Back to square one?

[garyjpaterson]

So is this talk of a wet race serious? Surely we know the race is gone by the evening, no? Just don't want to get myself too hyped...

[ClarkBT11]

I personally think Hamilton will be mighty here. It all comes down to how the Merc behaves around this circuit. Lewis is great at street courses and if this isn't the best car suited for this track, the driver still can make the difference and with the momentum he has after Spa and Monza, he could be in a different zone. In 2009 the Mclaren certainely wasn't the best car around, but he did put that car on pole in Singapore with a mighty lap and also won the race as well. It all remains to be seen on how the Merc has overcome it's issues early in the season.

No offence but saying that Hamilton is "great at street courses" is almost like someone saying that he's relieved a particular car is in the safe hands of Pastor Maldonado

Unfortunately for Hamilton, he couldn't go lower on fuel(as, for instance, on the mentioned 2009 ocasion) this time, nor he had a massive power advantage on his hands, playing out for him(due to the track characteristics)

I am sticking my head out. Lewis for pole by a country mile.

Don't worry, Mercedes will be on a league of it's own again on most of the other tracks and you and the other fans of Hamilton will be able to believe and tell everybody how special you think he is

vettel shows who's boss on this track. Mercedes gets destroyed as soon as an engine is not worth 0.5s advantage over the rest. good.

Like we've been saying forever.... On power tracks, Force India and Williams are always strong and best of the rest and, on tracks where power is less important, Mclaren, STR and Renault are easily better.

Always concentrating on the negatives... Some serious hurting over your prejudice for Lewis and must hurt that Mercedes physiology favours more tracks over the season. Ferrari will have to up their game to overhaul your engine theories of not having parity, when Ferrari carry more downforce and can match Mercedes in the speed traps.
Williams have done a poor job this year, they luck into getting the car into the right window, I would look at their drivers more than anything else.
Force India are the fourth best team punching way above their spending with two drivers you would take with or without funding.
All the midfield teams are seriously close in race trim on most circuits, looking and overlooking teams strengths and weaknesses to suit your argument is flawed.
No offence means I'm about to hurt your feelings, but let's pretend I didn't.

[ClarkBT11]

From hero in Monza (Merc, FI and Williams) to zero here ... it`s kinda coincidence or this track is showing the present pecking order in downforce (or traction) levels?

Don't worry, after the specific attributes needed to be successful at Singapore the heros will be humbled again by the zeros. Swings and roundabouts, two polar opposites Monza vs Singapore, changes in pecking order are to be expected.

[Dazed1]

I say Alonso, Ocon, Hulk top 3 after Bottas hydroplanes into turn 1, and destroys the top 6.

If it's a standing wet start, I feel it's going to be carnage. They couldn't stay of the walls in the dry!

Turns out it was the 2017 version of Singapore 2008, Bottas given a big bonus at stopping Lewis/Merc losing a ton of points to Ferrari at their worst track

The good news: There is a car between Perez and Ocon. The bad news: It is Kyvat. What are the chances they will make it through turn one?

[GPR-A duplicate2]

I personally think Hamilton will be mighty here. It all comes down to how the Merc behaves around this circuit. Lewis is great at street courses and if this isn't the best car suited for this track, the driver still can make the difference and with the momentum he has after Spa and Monza, he could be in a different zone. In 2009 the Mclaren certainely wasn't the best car around, but he did put that car on pole in Singapore with a mighty lap and also won the race as well. It all remains to be seen on how the Merc has overcome it's issues early in the season.

No offence but saying that Hamilton is "great at street courses" is almost like someone saying that he's relieved a particular car is in the safe hands of Pastor Maldonado

Unfortunately for Hamilton, he couldn't go lower on fuel(as, for instance, on the mentioned 2009 ocasion) this time, nor he had a massive power advantage on his hands, playing out for him(due to the track characteristics)

I am sticking my head out. Lewis for pole by a country mile.

Don't worry, Mercedes will be on a league of it's own again on most of the other tracks and you and the other fans of Hamilton will be able to believe and tell everybody how special you think he is

vettel shows who's boss on this track. Mercedes gets destroyed as soon as an engine is not worth 0.5s advantage over the rest. good.

Like we've been saying forever.... On power tracks, Force India and Williams are always strong and best of the rest and, on tracks where power is less important, Mclaren, STR and Renault are easily better.

Man I haven't seen another more sour post than this. Clearly shows the level of frustration you have maintained over the season and pounced upon this opportunity to throw it all over and how poor your understanding of F1 cars is.

Anyone who has been watching F1, knows how difficult it is to build a car that performs on every single circuit on the calendar. Different circuits require different characteristics and as Paddy Lowe had mentioned last year, they build a car that suits most circuits on the calendar, except for street circuits (read slow twisty corners). A Driver (all top drivers) is as good as the car gets. If this is difficult to understand, then the post you have written suits you.

[ChrisDanger]

I've summarised your earlier post.

You guys say Hamilton is so great but it's obviously just the car.

Mercedes are slow this weekend but it's obviously because Hamilton is a weak driver.

Now I'm not a fan of any particular team or driver, but I do value logic, which your argument lacks entirely. Please check yourself before you so obviously bash a driver and his fans.

[Chuckjr]

Is there any concern for the condition of Vettels gearbox / suspension system after that hearty slam against the wall in his final quali lap? Is this something the team can check or does parc ferme not allow them to even examine the car for damage?

[JonoNic]

Is there any concern for the condition of Vettels gearbox / suspension system after that hearty slam against the wall in his final quali lap? Is this something the team can check or does parc ferme not allow them to even examine the car for damage?

Sky F1 (Brundle) was hammering on about this as Vettel took pole. They also took close up shot of the rear wheel during the qualifying interviews

[Just_a_fan]

I've summarised your earlier post.

You guys say Hamilton is so great but it's obviously just the car.

Mercedes are slow this weekend but it's obviously because Hamilton is a weak driver.

Now I'm not a fan of any particular team or driver, but I do value logic, which your argument lacks entirely. Please check yourself before you so obviously bash a driver and his fans.

Haters gonna hate. Ignore him.

[ollandos]

heavy rain right now.....