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Lewis Hamilton has dominated the Singapore Grand Prix after both Ferraris were eliminated at the start of the race. Daniel Ricciardo ran virtually the entire race in second place and rightfully finished there, ahead of Valtteri Bottas. Carlos Sainz finished a brilliant fourth for Toro Rosso.
He was not, until he saw Vettel spin after turn 2. He backed off in turn 1 itself, when he saw Vettel coming fast from the inside, as going any faster would have made him miss the turn and go through escape area. In his post race interview, he said he was happy that he was behind Vettel and could race him, but immediately, he saw Vettel spinning.
Ohhhhhhhhh come on, don´t overreact please. When I sad that I was(Jesús Christ, it seems I must explain every single word) trying to say that I would like to see some competition and not the same driver winning without oposition. 6 races like the fight Vettel and Hamilton had in Spa would be good even if Lewis wins all of them. But, it would be better LIKE I SAID if both drivers have almost the same points and we enjoy a last (and epic) battle in Abu Dhabi.TAG wrote: ↑18 Sep 2017, 18:02It's not about Hamilton winning every race from now on, it's not about Hamilton winning 20 races in the calendar. It's about a fight, a competition where the winner has to fight for it. What's the point of whether or not Vettel wins half the races left and Hamilton wins half the races left if they both gain those wins uncontested?
I think your comment exhibits a lot of what's wrong with fanaticism in any sport. I just crave a beautiful race, even if it doesn't end in a win for my favorite guy.
So in that respect, no 2017 hasn't been that great because the leaders have seldom gone head to head against each other. That's when you see what people are made of.
Hamilton was driving off the racing line probably because there he was out of the spray and more grip there. Rubber on the track and wet is a dangerous combination.
Makes sense. So would have been a great race if everyone made it through T1. Lewis fighting through. Id sis appear that Lewis had massive pace advantage over Ricciardo. So if he was on full attack it would have been a great watch. Well done Seb, you robbed us of a spectacular showSevach wrote: ↑19 Sep 2017, 12:00Apparently down to temps why Mercedes was so fast in Singapore.
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I think you continue to miss the nuance of what I am saying. But it doesn't matter, we're way off topic so best to leave it there.
He was there partly because Ricciardo made a lousy start, and he drove around to overtake him. The additional grip worked to his advange frm there. Was even able to to not make contact with a partially out of control Vettel just before turn one.
I don't understand people blaming Vettel either, he moved to the middle of the track to cover Verstappen, do people just expect him to leave the door wide open and let Verstappen through?GPR-A wrote: ↑19 Sep 2017, 14:24I still think it was not Vettel who was responsible for the crash. It was a combination of multiple situations, in which he was a contributor. IF none would have crashed (assuming Kimi would have pulled off the move on Verstappen), Hamilton would have started 4th as he already overtook Ricciardo by the start line. That would have kept him behind the top 3. The conditions were very difficult and Verstappen and Lewis are good in such conditions and at some point, could have overtaken Kimi. That would mean, 1. Vettel, 2. Max and 3. Lewis. The only opportunity that Mercedes would have had, was to use the same strategy that they used in the race, which was to stay out when the leaders would pit for another set of Inters, when Kvyat went off. OR if none pitted at that time, then pit very early for slicks when the track dried, ahead of Vettel and Max.
I think, everything was possible and a good entertaining race was there to watch. It would have been a battle of strategies between Ferrari, RB and Mercs. Rain did it's job, but Kimi's brilliant start (who normally used to lose places at the start) took away all of that.
And that's why everyone but the most ardent of defenders are okay with the no further action decision, calling it a racing incident. There's always a few holdouts though.Sevach wrote: ↑19 Sep 2017, 14:37I don't understand people blaming Vettel either, he moved to the middle of the track to cover Verstappen, do people just expect him to leave the door wide open and let Verstappen through?GPR-A wrote: ↑19 Sep 2017, 14:24I still think it was not Vettel who was responsible for the crash. It was a combination of multiple situations, in which he was a contributor. IF none would have crashed (assuming Kimi would have pulled off the move on Verstappen), Hamilton would have started 4th as he already overtook Ricciardo by the start line. That would have kept him behind the top 3. The conditions were very difficult and Verstappen and Lewis are good in such conditions and at some point, could have overtaken Kimi. That would mean, 1. Vettel, 2. Max and 3. Lewis. The only opportunity that Mercedes would have had, was to use the same strategy that they used in the race, which was to stay out when the leaders would pit for another set of Inters, when Kvyat went off. OR if none pitted at that time, then pit very early for slicks when the track dried, ahead of Vettel and Max.
I think, everything was possible and a good entertaining race was there to watch. It would have been a battle of strategies between Ferrari, RB and Mercs. Rain did it's job, but Kimi's brilliant start (who normally used to lose places at the start) took away all of that.
If we are going with foresight, everyone could've avoided waht happened, Kimi could've gone wider of Verstappen, Verstappen could've lifted and Vettel could've stuck to the outside line since Kimi was jumping Max anyway.
Sevach wrote: ↑19 Sep 2017, 14:37According to what I have seen in the Spanish newspaper Marca, the most prominent Italian newspapers are blaming directly Vettel. Well, those newspapers love to point out always someone.GPR-A wrote: ↑19 Sep 2017, 14:24I still think it was not Vettel who was responsible for the crash. It was a combination of multiple situations, in which he was a contributor. IF none would have crashed (assuming Kimi would have pulled off the move on Verstappen), Hamilton would have started 4th as he already overtook Ricciardo by the start line. That would have kept him behind the top 3. The conditions were very difficult and Verstappen and Lewis are good in such conditions and at some point, could have overtaken Kimi. That would mean, 1. Vettel, 2. Max and 3. Lewis. The only opportunity that Mercedes would have had, was to use the same strategy that they used in the race, which was to stay out when the leaders would pit for another set of Inters, when Kvyat went off. OR if none pitted at that time, then pit very early for slicks when the track dried, ahead of Vettel and Max.
I think, everything was possible and a good entertaining race was there to watch. It would have been a battle of strategies between Ferrari, RB and Mercs. Rain did it's job, but Kimi's brilliant start (who normally used to lose places at the start) took away all of that.
I don't understand people blaming Vettel either, he moved to the middle of the track to cover Verstappen, do people just expect him to leave the door wide open and let Verstappen through?
If we are going with foresight, everyone could've avoided waht happened, Kimi could've gone wider of Verstappen, Verstappen could've lifted and Vettel could've stuck to the outside line since Kimi was jumping Max anyway.