2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

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NathanOlder wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 20:54
DFX wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 20:59
NathanOlder wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 20:54


You had me searching for ages looking for ART and Norris links lol
Sorry! In my defense it was really early in the morning :mrgreen:

you spoke too soon, now its ART that are being linked :mrgreen:

https://www.autosport.com/f2/news/13246 ... r-up-in-f2
The bit about Lawrence Stroll is spot on too =D>
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NathanOlder wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 20:54
DFX wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 20:59
NathanOlder wrote:
19 Oct 2017, 20:54


You had me searching for ages looking for ART and Norris links lol
Sorry! In my defense it was really early in the morning :mrgreen:

you spoke too soon, now its ART that are being linked :mrgreen:

https://www.autosport.com/f2/news/13246 ... r-up-in-f2
I knew it! I was just protecting my sources :roll:

I guess is the only place he got left that is competitive, dont know if Mclaren helps with this kind of negotiation.

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godlameroso wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 20:34
The 2018 engine is worth a second over what they have now, the chassis improvement for next year could be worth another second and change best case scenario. or about .7 worst case scenario. Let's say McLaren can improve next year by 2.3 seconds, 2.5 if we're very optimistic and unrealistic. That would put them slightly ahead of the competition this year, in other words the deficit would be whatever the top 3 can pull out for next year. If Mercedes gains 1.2 seconds, then that will be the gap, if they can close it through development remains to be seen. Considering they're on their own financially for the foreseeable future, makes it seem tricky for them to consistently match the others.
As soon as they start to show improved results I think they'll start to sign new sponsors. Just so long as they're not still trying to charge Ron Dennis premium prices!!
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adrianjordan wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 07:55
godlameroso wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 20:34
The 2018 engine is worth a second over what they have now, the chassis improvement for next year could be worth another second and change best case scenario. or about .7 worst case scenario. Let's say McLaren can improve next year by 2.3 seconds, 2.5 if we're very optimistic and unrealistic. That would put them slightly ahead of the competition this year, in other words the deficit would be whatever the top 3 can pull out for next year. If Mercedes gains 1.2 seconds, then that will be the gap, if they can close it through development remains to be seen. Considering they're on their own financially for the foreseeable future, makes it seem tricky for them to consistently match the others.
As soon as they start to show improved results I think they'll start to sign new sponsors. Just so long as they're not still trying to charge Ron Dennis style premium prices!!
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Motorsport.com:
The Woking-based team switched to a bright orange scheme this year, but there has been a push from fans for it to run the ‘Papaya’ version that Fernando Alonso used for his assault on the Indianapolis 500 (pictured above).

While a final call on colours will depend on the outcome of sponsor talks over the next few weeks, McLaren executive director Zak Brown says that a change to ‘Papaya’ is possible.

“We are starting to look at car designs now,” he said. “I think the fans want us to go to Papaya Orange for sure. When we did the IndyCar we had an overwhelming amount of 'Please make your F1 car like that'.

"We are waiting on a few sponsor decisions which also can dictate what a car looks like. I wouldn’t rule it out."
Some positive news :D :D :D

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godlameroso wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 20:34
The 2018 engine is worth a second over what they have now
What?!! :lol:
The Renault PU is 1 second faster than the Honda PU?
What?!! :lol:

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The Honda engine in 2018 could be worth a second and Mclaren will regret leaving
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or the honda can still be a second behind and RB could regret making the deal, nobody knows yet.

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HPD wrote:
21 Oct 2017, 16:03
godlameroso wrote:
20 Oct 2017, 20:34
The 2018 engine is worth a second over what they have now
What?!! :lol:
The Renault PU is 1 second faster than the Honda PU?
What?!! :lol:
2018 Renault PU is at least 1 second faster than the current Honda power unit. Sorry for not being clear.
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[media]https://twitter.com/SmilexTech/status/9 ... 8828449792 [/media]
Honda pays 80 HP from Mercedes (in Q3), which in Austin is 1.7 / 1.8 sec. Alonso took 1.9 sec

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Says a lot in this. Honda talking about the small update and won't introduce it unless they need to for Alonso. That's spec 4 binned for 2017 then.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13256 ... p-for-2018

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loner wrote:
22 Oct 2017, 18:24
well you keep waiting the almighty spec 4 i have better things to do than to read what Hasegawa and Wazari are saying and they already deleted what i said LOL.
I guess Wazari mentioned last month itself after McLaren and Honda divorce that it is unlikely that Honda will introduce Spec 4 this year. And I think it makes sense from them to not give away too many details to McLaren. They can now focus on 2018 engine without being stressed about poor performance this year.

About Spec 4, we will never know the truth - but now who cares?

2017 is almost done. We will know next year how good a engine Honda comes up with

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damager21 wrote:
22 Oct 2017, 18:43
loner wrote:
22 Oct 2017, 18:24
well you keep waiting the almighty spec 4 i have better things to do than to read what Hasegawa and Wazari are saying and they already deleted what i said LOL.
I guess Wazari mentioned last month itself after McLaren and Honda divorce that it is unlikely that Honda will introduce Spec 4 this year. And I think it makes sense from them to not give away too many details to McLaren. They can now focus on 2018 engine without being stressed about poor performance this year.

About Spec 4, we will never know the truth - but now who cares?

2017 is almost done. We will know next year how good a engine Honda comes up with
Or he knew that Spec 4 didnt perform as expected and/or had reliability issues and they decided to not introduce it at all and that was the reason for the divorce.

It makes no sense to not introduce spec 4 this year if it's ready. 4-5 race weekends worth of real world experience will beat their shitty dynos anyway.

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damager21 wrote:
22 Oct 2017, 18:43
loner wrote:
22 Oct 2017, 18:24
well you keep waiting the almighty spec 4 i have better things to do than to read what Hasegawa and Wazari are saying and they already deleted what i said LOL.
I guess Wazari mentioned last month itself after McLaren and Honda divorce that it is unlikely that Honda will introduce Spec 4 this year. And I think it makes sense from them to not give away too many details to McLaren. They can now focus on 2018 engine without being stressed about poor performance this year.

About Spec 4, we will never know the truth - but now who cares?

2017 is almost done. We will know next year how good a engine Honda comes up with
yeah i was once like you until very recently in fact just today :mrgreen:
iam not going to allow them to abuse my mind any more with their fake promises for god sake Hasegawa just said month ago that they will surpass Renault before the end of 2017 season thats enough for me i couldn't care less any more.
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I wish whenever one of RB's Renault engines died they cut to a shot of the McLaren wall.

If Renault had been powering McLaren this year the thread would be calling for blood.

[Edit] Then again, maybe it wouldn't be much difference...