2017 Mclaren F1 Team - Honda

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NathanOlder wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 13:57
Where did you get the info from. Id love to have a good look through it.
After thinking about this, I would like to find the other information on the comparison as well. If only assume drag coefficient is the same and compare the top speed at the straight, also seem to ignore a few things like Entry speed, When did they get back on gas in the corner before the straight. I would assume brake is similar but if one car has to brake earlier would probably have an impact on the top speed.

If memory serves me right, in the past when Red Bull was winning, they usually have lower trap speed relatively compare to the other top competitors.

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rogazilla wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 14:14
NathanOlder wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 13:57
Where did you get the info from. Id love to have a good look through it.
After thinking about this, I would like to find the other information on the comparison as well. If only assume drag coefficient is the same and compare the top speed at the straight, also seem to ignore a few things like Entry speed, When did they get back on gas in the corner before the straight. I would assume brake is similar but if one car has to brake earlier would probably have an impact on the top speed.

If memory serves me right, in the past when Red Bull was winning, they usually have lower trap speed relatively compare to the other top competitors.
Entry speed differences are negletable to top speeds comparison in such a long straight, and there is no way that early breaking would affect top speeds, these cars brake incredibly fast, the differences would be much higher if braking was involving. Also de trap position discards that option.

That comparison about RB was also made between clients of the same engine? If so we could argue with some degree of confidence that RB runs higher downforce/drag cars compared to the others. You could compare this data to cornering speeds aswell to see the correlation between teams.

What a fail to understand is why someone would suggest that Mclaren have a higher drag cars than other chassis to achieve the same cornering speeds that the top teams have. If this was correct, Williams should do the same as they have a more powerful engine, but instead they are focusing on lower DF setups because their chassis isnt efficient enough.

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rogazilla wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 14:14
NathanOlder wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 13:57
Where did you get the info from. Id love to have a good look through it.
After thinking about this, I would like to find the other information on the comparison as well. If only assume drag coefficient is the same and compare the top speed at the straight, also seem to ignore a few things like Entry speed, When did they get back on gas in the corner before the straight. I would assume brake is similar but if one car has to brake earlier would probably have an impact on the top speed.

If memory serves me right, in the past when Red Bull was winning, they usually have lower trap speed relatively compare to the other top competitors.
Red Bull won Monza with such a set-up. Their gearing allowed them to get up to top speed quicker than others, and they carried a lot of speed through the parabolica. Remember Seb passing on the outside? The average speed was higher down the straight.
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Wake me up when the season ends.

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PlatinumZealot wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 22:29
There would be no Spec 5.0 since it will be an all new power unit, the Honda RA618H. It would be Spec 1 all over again. And the breath bating "Spec waiting game" will be there again too.
THIS
they already know about the technology for their civics and acura for a future generation for EPA and to make their customers happy
they are in no rush with formula 1, guaranteed .. people who expect to see a competitive honda power unit better wait the 2021 new regulation.
para bellum.

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loner wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 23:23
PlatinumZealot wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 22:29
There would be no Spec 5.0 since it will be an all new power unit, the Honda RA618H. It would be Spec 1 all over again. And the breath bating "Spec waiting game" will be there again too.
THIS
they already know about the technology for their civics and acura for a future generation for EPA and to make their customers happy
they are in no rush with formula 1, guaranteed .. people who expect to see a competitive honda power unit better wait the 2021 new regulation.
2021 as rumors go is not going to be vastly different from what we have right now.

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makecry wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 23:24
loner wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 23:23
PlatinumZealot wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 22:29
There would be no Spec 5.0 since it will be an all new power unit, the Honda RA618H. It would be Spec 1 all over again. And the breath bating "Spec waiting game" will be there again too.
THIS
they already know about the technology for their civics and acura for a future generation for EPA and to make their customers happy
they are in no rush with formula 1, guaranteed .. people who expect to see a competitive honda power unit better wait the 2021 new regulation.
2021 as rumors go is not going to be vastly different from what we have right now.
ICE yes but mghu-H and how many megajoules to harvest is a different story.. thats why honda is way back now they entered late.. and thats why 2021 carry some hope for them to be competitive.
para bellum.

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Avocado wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 21:51
Wake me up when the season ends.
Alonso likes your comment.

Its going to be a long race for both drivers. 2018 can´t come soon enough.

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Vasconia wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 09:04
Avocado wrote:
26 Oct 2017, 21:51
Wake me up when the season ends.
Alonso likes your comment.

Its going to be a long race for both drivers. 2018 can´t come soon enough.
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Vandoorne's new engine for this weekend has already gone and needs replaced so even more penalties incoming.

And according to Ted Spec 4 isn't coming this year as when they tested it on the dyno it blew up.

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McHonda wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 17:55
Vandoorne's new engine for this weekend has already gone and needs replaced so even more penalties incoming.

And according to Ted Spec 4 isn't coming this year as when they tested it on the dyno it blew up.
I'm pretty sure Honda only tested the specification once, it blew up, and then no more.
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McHonda wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 17:55
Vandoorne's new engine for this weekend has already gone and needs replaced so even more penalties incoming.

And according to Ted Spec 4 isn't coming this year as when they tested it on the dyno it blew up.
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dren wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 18:13
McHonda wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 17:55
Vandoorne's new engine for this weekend has already gone and needs replaced so even more penalties incoming.

And according to Ted Spec 4 isn't coming this year as when they tested it on the dyno it blew up.
I'm pretty sure Honda only tested the specification once, it blew up, and then no more.
Not sure what you mean?.

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McHonda wrote:
27 Oct 2017, 17:55
Vandoorne's new engine for this weekend has already gone and needs replaced so even more penalties incoming.

And according to Ted Spec 4 isn't coming this year as when they tested it on the dyno it blew up.
it turned that all what was honda aiming to achieve was nothing but wishful thinking and day dreaming...
in this formula either you buy the technology or poach some guru but if you take it on your own y'll end up in epic fail
pushing your development to close a gap of 1.5 year not gonna happens.
para bellum.