Renault Sport Racing and McLaren Racing are pleased to announce they have agreed an engine supply partnership for the 2018, 2019 and 2020 seasons. The deal will see Renault Sport Racing supply McLaren with Formula 1 power units, while also establishing a close working relationship with McLaren’s engineers and technicians.
No, DRS would keep the Mercedes with rake (no DF at the back compressing rear suspensions), but if the picture is showing a higher front wing in the Mercedes, even with DRS open, that´s an evidence of a flatter Mercedes vs a Mclaren with lots of rakemarmer wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 02:37Any rake the Merc could have will be affected in that shot by the drs so it's not quite a fare comparisondiffuser wrote:1st off ...It was a RBR Idea. I presume PP and Newey were involved.
Lets just take a fictitious number 10. Lets say your fastest hi speed corner is 200KPH. At 205 KPH the car starts to generate 10 as you accelerate you'll generate > 10 but the car will start to squat and reduce the amount of DF the rear of the car generates. So again fictitious numbers lets say at 250KPH the rear of the car would normally generating 15 but because of the squat it's still generating 11 (or something like that). Since the Front wing is in front of the front wheels, lowering the back raises the front wing which will also reduce DF/Drag. The angle of attack of the splitter also is lowered, again decreasing DF/drag.
Here is a great shot I took from the Mclaren MCL32 honda forum that shows what rake does to the front wing. Compare the Merc to the Mclaren.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNVlxJmW0AIjPXZ.jpg
Both use the same concept to reduce downforce on the starights a combination of aero and suspension trickery. Why should one be worse than the other, when both have adequate resources?
Thick wings tmFW17 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 12:06Both use the same concept to reduce downforce on the starights a combination of aero and suspension trickery. Why should one be worse than the other, when both have adequate resources?
The guys at Honda will have no access to aero data of the McLaren car in terms of drag and downforce, can't get a handle on the engine but think they are aero geniuses.
This is very strange. McLaren and Ferrari are very old teams had good resource but it is obvious that this era's best chassis redbull and brawn/merc and now Ferrari too.(according to your logic old teams must be ahead everytime and having same level source teams must be same level) But you must understand that resource is not enough.FW17 wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 12:06Both use the same concept to reduce downforce on the starights a combination of aero and suspension trickery. Why should one be worse than the other, when both have adequate resources?
The guys at Honda will have no access to aero data of the McLaren car in terms of drag and downforce, can't get a handle on the engine but think they are aero geniuses.
The funny thing is mclaren boast about GPS data, but the reality is , you can take a car sauber, add plenty of drag and downforce and sauber will also be able to boast about how good the car is in corners. GPS data is NOT always an accurate assesment of how efficient is the chassis. Honda does not have access to aero data in a partnership?. give me a break. wait for 2018 i can guaranteee redbull will show mclaren how to build a proper efficient chassis. just wait a few monthsThe guys at Honda will have no access to aero data of the McLaren car in terms of drag and downforce, can't get a handle on the engine but think they are aero geniuses.
mate iam just pointing out the truth. both mclaren and honda are to blame for the mclaren honda problems. not just honda problem aloneThis is like your 70th post blaming Mclaren over Honda, WOW ... just WOW you are truly committed
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Quite true, but their overall lap time would likely be worse. Are you suggesting that McLaren are similarly compromising their overall pace and therefore chances of gaining WDC points, position and money (which if the rumours of them losing $100m of Honda money next year, they need it)? If so, and you seem to suggest they are, what is the motive?techman wrote: ↑21 Nov 2017, 13:36The funny thing is mclaren boast about GPS data, but the reality is , you can take a car sauber, add plenty of drag and downforce and sauber will also be able to boast about how good the car is in corners. GPS data is NOT always an accurate assesment of how efficient is the chassis. Honda does not have access to aero data in a partnership?. give me a break. wait for 2018 i can guaranteee redbull will show mclaren how to build a proper efficient chassis. just wait a few monthsThe guys at Honda will have no access to aero data of the McLaren car in terms of drag and downforce, can't get a handle on the engine but think they are aero geniuses.
