Honda F1 project leader Yusuke Hasegawa has outlined a number of reasons why Honda has been struggling so badly in the beginning of the 2017 Formula One season. He confirmed that lots of problems were not discovered while running on the dynamo meter.
The basis of the FiA claim that the PUs were within 0.3sec is a comparison of 2017 Ferrari, Merc and Renault only.
And is also absolute rubbish IMO...0.3 seconds where? Over a quarter mile, a mile, they just plucked this number from somewhere so no one looks to bad!
Anyway the Honda PU certainly seems to be a lot better now, maybe not top end grunt but driveability looks better and it`s certainly more reliable. I reckon a lot of that is through software/mapping, etc.
0.3sec at Barcelona. Do you even follow this sport?
The basis of the FiA claim that the PUs were within 0.3sec is a comparison of 2017 Ferrari, Merc and Renault only.
And is also absolute rubbish IMO...0.3 seconds where? Over a quarter mile, a mile, they just plucked this number from somewhere so no one looks to bad!
Anyway the Honda PU certainly seems to be a lot better now, maybe not top end grunt but driveability looks better and it`s certainly more reliable. I reckon a lot of that is through software/mapping, etc.
According to FIA all 3 PU performs in 0.3 sec. No body accepted this but they have knowledge about all teams. Maybe teams also have datas about rivals. We can only directly compare PUs, with their visible performance, if all engines are used in same chassis with same settings.
There are 4 PU suppliers (Ferrari, Merc, Renault and Honda) and 5 PUs (inc 2016 Ferrari PU used by Sauber).
The basis of the FiA claim that the PUs were within 0.3sec is a comparison of 2017 Ferrari, Merc and Renault only.
Maybe I used wrong word. I wrote"except Honda" but deleted. Because I thought everyone knows that. I am a Honda fan. How could I have missed Honda
Yeah but Barcelona is downforce circuit. So it hides the PU contribution a lot.
According to Martin Brundle the Ferrari is 2% down on Mercedes, the Renault is 6% down and the Honda is 11% down. Didn't say where it is fuel efficiecny averages over the season, or raw power, or race trim.. so it is anyone's guess the context of it, but it is still very alarming.
Sorry for not following every little bit of detail that comes out, nowhere in the previous posts is Barcelona mentioned, even another poster "hadn`t seen that".
So....it`s apparently 0.3 seconds around Barcelona, i still say no chance even if it`s just the Merc, Ferrari and Renault. Just from the times we see elsewhere [and i know Barcelona is a short track] it doesn`t seem feasible. Maybe i`m wrong, wouldn`t be the first or last time!
People ask a question when they don`t know something, save it with the snarky comments...
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Sorry for not following every little bit of detail that comes out, nowhere in the previous posts is Barcelona mentioned, even another poster "hadn`t seen that".
So....it`s apparently 0.3 seconds around Barcelona, i still say no chance even if it`s just the Merc, Ferrari and Renault. Just from the times we see elsewhere [and i know Barcelona is a short track] it doesn`t seem feasible. Maybe i`m wrong, wouldn`t be the first of last time!
People ask a question when they don`t know something, save it with the snarky comments...
It was a little bit muddled tbf, they first denied there was even a time target set on it and it was more complicated than that but then Charlie came out and said 0.3. They also at no point before the results were announced said only 3 out of 4 Manufacturers needed to comply to meet the convergence target. Bit dodgy.
The comparison also threw out qualifying,in-out laps and any lap with a difference of over 0.500 which is what Red Bull were complaining about as it effectively ruled out every lap Mercedes and Ferrari used their highest modes which is where Renault lack so Renault easily made the 0.3 despite being no closer in the highest modes in qualifying and the race.
