To the best of my knowledge is that it would be evolution of current layout, not concept, which would contain approximately 80-90% components and concept of "Spec 4.XXX" plus updates.
To the best of my knowledge is that it would be evolution of current layout, not concept, which would contain approximately 80-90% components and concept of "Spec 4.XXX" plus updates.
When? In 2020?Wazari wrote: ↑04 Dec 2017, 22:02Nice post. All manufacturers will take a step forward, that's obvious. However there is a law of diminishing returns. Mercedes' gains should be incrementally smaller.godlameroso wrote: ↑04 Dec 2017, 21:03There's nothing to suggest Mercedes won't take another clear step forward. This is a 5 year project, Honda is just entering year 4. The power unit evolves by the hands of humans, thus it is imbued with certain lifelike qualities, much like humans go through a big change after adolescence after a long slow period of development, so too will this power unit go though a significant step forward. No hope involved, just understanding how things evolve, Honda will surprise people next year, and if TR is allowed to develop the chassis they will be strong.
You just answered yourself.Andres125sx wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 09:41When? In 2020?
Not as much as 2nd or 3th season obviously, but still significant improvements.
Wazari, now that the season is over. Can you give us some figures about the difference in performance of the current 3.8 and 4.0 specifications?
That is what a power screw is.roon wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 02:36I doubt they are electric, but your post makes me think that if the actuator is rotary rather than linear, it could be rotating a threaded control rod rather than simply push-pulling the intake stacks into positions. As such, travel within the manifold would not relate to the length of the actuator body visible in the photo.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 02:02The green actuators, could be motors with a power-screw drive.
But not the first season of the project, so don´t try to show it as if Honda is on their first season while Mercedes is on their 5th, it´s 4th vs 5th, or 4th vs 6th if you want, assuming Mercedes started much earlier than first season of these ruleset, but even so the difference is not that dramaticHPD wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 11:51You just answered yourself.Andres125sx wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 09:41When? In 2020?
Not as much as 2nd or 3th season obviously, but still significant improvements.
2017 was the first season of this new engine concept.
No one is saying that, but what is a fact is that 2017 was the first year with this layout/concept.Andres125sx wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 19:32But not the first season of the project, so don´t try to show it as if Honda is on their first season while Mercedes is on their 5th, it´s 4th vs 5th, or 4th vs 6th if you want, assuming Mercedes started much earlier than first season of these ruleset, but even so the difference is not that dramaticHPD wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 11:51You just answered yourself.Andres125sx wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 09:41
When? In 2020?
Not as much as 2nd or 3th season obviously, but still significant improvements.
2017 was the first season of this new engine concept.
I understand this argument being used for reliability concerns since Mercedes stated it took them awhile to get the split turbo concept working, but for performance, Honda has had 3 years.GhostF1 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 21:57No one is saying that, but what is a fact is that 2017 was the first year with this layout/concept.
What the last 3 years have given Honda is experience in F1 racing again. So in that respect, yes they will be entering their 4th active year.
Engine wise. And on track development. Realistically 2018 will be year 2
I agree but notice how the main issue that plagued the PU in the past year was pretty much focused solely on the MGU-H shaft?dren wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 22:20I understand this argument being used for reliability concerns since Mercedes stated it took them awhile to get the split turbo concept working, but for performance, Honda has had 3 years.GhostF1 wrote: ↑05 Dec 2017, 21:57No one is saying that, but what is a fact is that 2017 was the first year with this layout/concept.
What the last 3 years have given Honda is experience in F1 racing again. So in that respect, yes they will be entering their 4th active year.
Engine wise. And on track development. Realistically 2018 will be year 2
It took the bulk of the season to sort out the MGUH bearing failures.
By which means are you talking?
25 to 30 kW.
40 constant HP for race? Or on maximum qualy mode? Thats huge improvement