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Wierd to see Richards so furious, I remember Villeneuve doing a lot for BAR when he was hot and the team not yet. Villeneuve got the sack in a very similair way Jenson 'sacked' BAR. What goes around comes around Mr. Richards. So it's a bot childish to see him reacting this way.
And yeah probably not the best example of being a gentleman from Jenson neither. But who knows what happend behind the scenes...

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Wether BAR is in F1 for the money or not, those engeineers are passionate about their work. Otherwise you don't get into F1. Williams or BAR I don't see the money v passion factor as a factor of importants.

Also you are a good as your last race, 90's titles are no garantees for future titles. At this point BAR is the better team, they will be tomorrow and have an head start for next year. So Jenson what did you do.......?

Though remember Jordan Honda 98 99? They where very good even won some races... and now they are back where they came from.

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Hehe, I think we agree on something Bernard :)

i think my distinction between BAT and BAR got through.
but like guest said, people at BAR are passionate about racing, otherwise they wouldnt be in it. I personally dont see the big fuss over tobacco advertising here in the States and in europe since beer commercials are prevalent over TV and papers and magazines but i guess its something that racing teams have to deal with.
and I did suspect that Jaguar wasnt in it for the championship because they have such a poor support from Ford. All the executives over in the States are chomping at the bits to cut Jaguar F1 budget and the team is trying to survive as much as they can.

i guess we will find out on monday what all this is about...

(wouldnt it be funny if this whole thing was a set up by BAR to get some free publicity?)

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JB finally spoke today.

usual bit about not in it for the money and all that...

this quote got me laughing on the floor tho...


"You don't get to become world champion by taking the easy, most comfortable route."...


LOL!! Didnt JB essentially take the "easy, most comfortable route" by going to Williams? Nice contradiction JB.

I lost all respect for the boy.

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how is williams that route? seems to me that BAR would be - a team devoted to him, they are currently looking very good and look like they will get better, and there wouldn't be this controversy if he was still there. williams - conrtoversy over the switch, team isn't doing so hot, and he isn't going to be the sole focus of the team . . . he might even play second fiddle to mark webber, who we all know frank is in love with. i dunno, sorry to keep being the one who disagrees haha but how exactly is williams the more comfortable route sharkie?

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on the latest interview JB said that Williams has the resources to fulfill his dreams in becoming World Champ. If that's the case so why can't Williams provide Montoya & Ralf to at least challenge Schumi on every races ? they make so many mistakes this year that sure as hell don't live up to their reputations..
So "great resources" my A** !!. Even Montoya knows that Williams can't provide him a good enough car to win the championship, that's why he's moving to Mclaren. Even though there's Kimi there, he can obviously see that McLaren got more edge in this sport than Williams.
If all of you guys thinks that BAR are ot "consistent" enough to make JB a World champ, then what's the difference with Renault ? BAR & Renault are the the most improved teams this season, they are the ones who can match Ferrari on every races. if Only Ferrari did not have Schumi, I'm sure that JB or Alonso can win a few races this year. And where's Williams ? Sitting down "nicely" on fourth spot with almost 20 points of gap seperating it with BAR.. Frank Williams has also said that even Schumi can't win in his "Walrus". So, anyone who thinks JB making a good decision for leaving BAR are probably drunk or something.

This Season will belong to Ferrari, BAR, & Renault. And next season Williams will still be at the bottom while McLaren joins the big three... There are new players in the big league, and they are BAR & Renault.. bubye Williams :lol:

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Jenson must know something we don't know because life is going to be so much tougher at Williams. Williams must be smilling like anything at this coup he managed to acomplish.

So Webber vs Button, any bets? :)

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webber

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Thanks aradea for your insight. BAR and Renault haven't been "the only ones to challenge ferrari in every race". They have driven behind ferrari while Schumacher has taken easy victories as any reasonable opposition persists in its abscence.
And as far as ruling williams out of the top fights is concerned, i wouldn't be so hasty about my opinions. I bet you had ruled Mclaren out of the victory battles for this and the next season. Well, what do you know. Just as many people who know anything predicted, they have risen and continue to rise to their level.
Same goes with williams. They have shown the signs of pace in some races this season, and they have a very ambitious programme for the rest of the season. I believe they will be serious victory challenger by the end of he season, if they get their normal nose/front wing setup to work.
From your post i got the idea idea that you are a longtime BAR fan that has been hypnoticed by BAR's success after some very hard years. You seriously think BAR is better than williams? You shouldn't form your opinions on a short distance. I'll give you an example:
Mclaren bad in the beginning of the season: Mclaren is not gonna win for years.
Williams have a bad car; william is a bad career move for next year.
BAR has had a good first half of the year; BAR is a permanent winner.

You should wait and see, not make rushed conclusions.

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I'd probably say Webber, but his real pace is very hard to know because he hasn't had a proper team mate yet. So now we'll find out if he is worth his reputation. :D

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Becker4 wrote:how is williams that route? seems to me that BAR would be - a team devoted to him, they are currently looking very good and look like they will get better, and there wouldn't be this controversy if he was still there. williams - conrtoversy over the switch, team isn't doing so hot, and he isn't going to be the sole focus of the team . . . he might even play second fiddle to mark webber, who we all know frank is in love with. i dunno, sorry to keep being the one who disagrees haha but how exactly is williams the more comfortable route sharkie?
how is Williams that route? pretty simple. (As Bernard pointed out earlier). Williams have a proven record of winning championships in the past. And once you win championships, you catch the fever and would always strive to do it again. (Same motivation that keeps Schumi wanting to win again and again) The easy route is Williams because they know how to win and they have been there before. BAR? they havent won a race yet since switching from Tyrell to BAR. You can not teach or tell a team what it feels to win a race or a championship. So yeah, Williams is a easy way out for JB because he KNOWS that Williams will be competitive again and that their motivation and desire to win will get him the championship. And i bet my money on JB (between JB and Webber).

(let me put it another way: If you are an engineer and had a choice between Williams and BAR to work for, and they are offering the same salary, which one would you go to work for? im pretty sure 99 percent of you will say williams. (because of the past success factor). Even tho engineers are objective type, subjective considerations can be a powerful factor. (as well as being associated with a World Champion F1 team!)

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sharkie17 wrote:
Becker4 wrote:how is williams that route? seems to me that BAR would be - a team devoted to him, they are currently looking very good and look like they will get better, and there wouldn't be this controversy if he was still there. williams - conrtoversy over the switch, team isn't doing so hot, and he isn't going to be the sole focus of the team . . . he might even play second fiddle to mark webber, who we all know frank is in love with. i dunno, sorry to keep being the one who disagrees haha but how exactly is williams the more comfortable route sharkie?
how is Williams that route? pretty simple. (As Bernard pointed out earlier). Williams have a proven record of winning championships in the past. And once you win championships, you catch the fever and would always strive to do it again. (Same motivation that keeps Schumi wanting to win again and again) The easy route is Williams because they know how to win and they have been there before. BAR? they havent won a race yet since switching from Tyrell to BAR. You can not teach or tell a team what it feels to win a race or a championship. So yeah, Williams is a easy way out for JB because he KNOWS that Williams will be competitive again and that their motivation and desire to win will get him the championship. And i bet my money on JB (between JB and Webber).

(let me put it another way: If you are an engineer and had a choice between Williams and BAR to work for, and they are offering the same salary, which one would you go to work for? im pretty sure 99 percent of you will say williams. (because of the past success factor). Even tho engineers are objective type, subjective considerations can be a powerful factor. (as well as being associated with a World Champion F1 team!)

what you have said is completely true - winning championships is hugely motivating for a team, and goes a long way towards helping you win another in the future. but does it make the next championship EASIER to win? does it make working for that team easier? not by a long shot - it gives you the motivation to work that much harrder, to do what needs to be done. if anything, what you jsut said just shows that jenson feels that williams has the motivation, where BAR doesn't (i wonder if that has anything to do with what we were talking about earlier - probably not, but an interesting thought). . . . but he certainly wont be thinking that now he can take it easy, and a winning car will just be presented to him. the pressure will be greater working for such a team, because the excpetations are there from their history of success . . . once again, ensuring that it will be a LOT of work in that team, to preform as they know they can. this is by no means a "cop out" on jensons part.

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it is a cop out.

JB broke the contract. end of story.

(we will find out soon enough what the lawyers have to say :P)

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Thanks Bernard for your opinion, I kno my posts was a bit harsh for all of U Williams fans out there.. I Apologise.

It's just I don't see a strong reason for JB moving to Williams..well maybe because Williams sucked this year. Well I hope Williams won't do very good next year :twisted:

Cos like said, I'm a huge BAR-Honda Fan...

(if only button didn't go, maybe we can see Button-Hakkinenn duo next year)

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I agree with you Sharkie - I think this is going to get uglier before its resolved.

I just saw multiple press releases from:
Bernie Ecclestone said that Button could loose his license
Button says he has resolved everything with Richards
Richards says nothing's resolved and BAR will still hold on to Button

I love it!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: