it is info based on official Renault sport web wage.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 02:07Renault is at a rumoured 950hp right now.. so it will be tough.
Thats the scary bit. By Honda admission they were behind Renault and quite far away from the others. No numbers but as cited by many it was below 900. Renault have found more than 50 hp gain from last year which i thought was not possible. Was expecting a maximum of 30 hp gain but this is quite phenomenal as they seem to also have figured out the reliability. Less than a week or so to find out the real life figures and not just dyno numbers.
They likely only found another 20 or so. As at the start of the season they quoted over 900, And they were definitely making more by seasons end. So to quote 950 at the start this year. Safe to say they found 20-30 over the winter.McMika98 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 12:51Thats the scary bit. By Honda admission they were behind Renault and quite far away from the others. No numbers but as cited by many it was below 900. Renault have found more than 50 hp gain from last year which i thought was not possible. Was expecting a maximum of 30 hp gain but this is quite phenomenal as they seem to also have figured out the reliability. Less than a week or so to find out the real life figures and not just dyno numbers.
quite the opposite honda have said they are close to renault end of last season and will overtake them this season by mid.Thats the scary bit. By Honda admission they were behind Renault and quite far away from the others. No numbers but as cited by many it was below 900. Renault have found more than 50 hp gain from last year which i thought was not possible. Was expecting a maximum of 30 hp gain but this is quite phenomenal as they seem to also have figured out the reliability. Less than a week or so to find out the real life figures and not just dyno numbers.
That's probably more realistic. I remember at one point late last season, a fuel upgrade gave Red Bull a grid spot jump.GhostF1 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 13:00They likely only found another 20 or so. As at the start of the season they quoted over 900, And they were definitely making more by seasons end. So to quote 950 at the start this year. Safe to say they found 20-30 over the winter.McMika98 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 12:51Thats the scary bit. By Honda admission they were behind Renault and quite far away from the others. No numbers but as cited by many it was below 900. Renault have found more than 50 hp gain from last year which i thought was not possible. Was expecting a maximum of 30 hp gain but this is quite phenomenal as they seem to also have figured out the reliability. Less than a week or so to find out the real life figures and not just dyno numbers.
I think we can keep the same ratio of the increasing of the power but it is difficult to catch up Mercedes or Ferrari," Hasegawa told Autosport.techman wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 13:03quite the opposite honda have said they are close to renault end of last season and will overtake them this season by mid.Thats the scary bit. By Honda admission they were behind Renault and quite far away from the others. No numbers but as cited by many it was below 900. Renault have found more than 50 hp gain from last year which i thought was not possible. Was expecting a maximum of 30 hp gain but this is quite phenomenal as they seem to also have figured out the reliability. Less than a week or so to find out the real life figures and not just dyno numbers.
We keep hearing that at some point it should converge, but the gains keep coming even at top. The question is why do Honda bosses the likes of Hasegawa (bless him) keep thinking that way and expect to overtake likes of Renault. Hence my dismay at Honda prolly starting at the back again. Surely they know must by now, to not take it by granted.
Honda have said a lot of things in the past, but saying something & something actually happening can be two different things.techman wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 13:03quite the opposite honda have said they are close to renault end of last season and will overtake them this season by mid.Thats the scary bit. By Honda admission they were behind Renault and quite far away from the others. No numbers but as cited by many it was below 900. Renault have found more than 50 hp gain from last year which i thought was not possible. Was expecting a maximum of 30 hp gain but this is quite phenomenal as they seem to also have figured out the reliability. Less than a week or so to find out the real life figures and not just dyno numbers.
That seems to be even one of Honda's issues in the past, every year they themselves seem a bit shocked after winter testing with how much gains all the other manufacturers have made. Its as if each off season they don't expect anyone else to make gains & then are a little shocked when this isn't the case.
I doubt it's ignorance on Honda's side. At the end of 2017, the Honda was relatively close to Renault, it's been said many times they were much closer than perceived. They were likely 20ish hp apart. Renault are claiming 950+ and Honda has apparently achieved the 700kW goal (roughly 940hp). So this puts them within earshot. Again. 10-20 between them. Honda are hoping the relentless development pace they've showed will allow them to jump. It's hardly disrespect to Renault, it's optimism on their part to overtake the first direct competitor.McMika98 wrote: ↑21 Feb 2018, 22:19We keep hearing that at some point it should converge, but the gains keep coming even at top. The question is why do Honda bosses the likes of Hasegawa (bless him) keep thinking that way and expect to overtake likes of Renault. Hence my dismay at Honda prolly starting at the back again. Surely they know must by now, to not take it by granted.
If you think the way that if someone at front it will remain same ever, it is really impossible to watch a race on track and race in engineering, every kind of competition. I expect from Honda to built an engine better than Mercedes, not only renault. But I expect them to beat Renault this year. Honda also planning to do this as I understand. And everything is, will you be able to achieve you objective or not. So the strange thing is what you said.
