2014-2020 Formula One 1.6l V6 turbo engine formula

[63l8qrrfy6]

Somewhere along the line there would have been knock and with sensor data that would show. Once the cause conditions were normalised there would be the ability to predict knock under conditions X.
So the mapping would take all the predictive indicators and when algorithm Y was arrived at it would start ignition control.
The use of the predictive indicators would have to have the trial and error safety margin applied to them.
Thats my idea of it.

There is the issue- such an algorithm would require a good safety margin to work in all conditions. High safety margin in this case is low performance.

Therein would be one of the factors for the successful engines, the determination and management of that safety margin. Lots of trial and lots of errors ($) hopefully mitigated by simulations with that data.

Maybe one of the factors is who can run with a bit of knock for longer.

[63l8qrrfy6]

Another approach for power estimation is the start times.
From what I can see there are not many tracks with a 1/4 mile before the first braking, but Albert Park just squeezes it in I think.
Using you tube and several maps for corroboration it looks like about 8 seconds for the 1/4. I know this is inaccurate but....
With weight of 895 kg it gives a horsepower of 762.
Corroboration please.
EDIT: By the way if it was 7.5 seconds it would be 924 hp so this method is fraught with danger

How did you calculate this?

[johnny comelately]

Another approach for power estimation is the start times.
From what I can see there are not many tracks with a 1/4 mile before the first braking, but Albert Park just squeezes it in I think.
Using you tube and several maps for corroboration it looks like about 8 seconds for the 1/4. I know this is inaccurate but....
With weight of 895 kg it gives a horsepower of 762.
Corroboration please.
EDIT: By the way if it was 7.5 seconds it would be 924 hp so this method is fraught with danger

How did you calculate this?

Hp = weight divided by (ET/5.825)cubed

That is why i said its just another method

[trinidefender]

Another approach for power estimation is the start times.
From what I can see there are not many tracks with a 1/4 mile before the first braking, but Albert Park just squeezes it in I think.
Using you tube and several maps for corroboration it looks like about 8 seconds for the 1/4. I know this is inaccurate but....
With weight of 895 kg it gives a horsepower of 762.
Corroboration please.
EDIT: By the way if it was 7.5 seconds it would be 924 hp so this method is fraught with danger

How did you calculate this?

Probably one of the generic quarter mile hp calculators like this.
https://robrobinette.com/et.htm

They are notoriously inaccurate and make many assumptions including drag...probably wasting your time honestly

[gruntguru]

Yep, the drag/weight ratio of an F1 car is ridiculously high.

[johnny comelately]

Another approach for power estimation is the start times.
From what I can see there are not many tracks with a 1/4 mile before the first braking, but Albert Park just squeezes it in I think.
Using you tube and several maps for corroboration it looks like about 8 seconds for the 1/4. I know this is inaccurate but....
With weight of 895 kg it gives a horsepower of 762.
Corroboration please.
EDIT: By the way if it was 7.5 seconds it would be 924 hp so this method is fraught with danger

How did you calculate this?

Probably one of the generic quarter mile hp calculators like this.
https://robrobinette.com/et.htm

They are notoriously inaccurate and make many assumptions including drag...probably wasting your time honestly

Well, I dont know if that is correct because it is usually and amazingly accurate in practice (not qualifying).

It's important not to get too distracted by the trees (frontal area, weather, slippage, track condition etc etc) as through experience they have allowed for that in a hollus bollus way (I can see you cringe ) with the constant.

[johnny comelately]

So, who has an accurate 1/4 mile ET for any of the current leading cars.

I do know that some F1 engineers that spent some time with one of the top fuel outfits in Florida to learn about launch and clutch setup etc; circa 2001

[henry]

re Power:
How much is harvested on the warm up lap to assist the ICE at launch?

It depends what you mean by launch.

Off the line, from 0 kph, they can’t use the MGU-K, its use is not allowed until they reach 100 kph. After that they are traction limited to around 160 kph.

They might use some energy from the ES to drive the compressor right at the start, but probably not.

So from that perspective they harvest zero energy specifically to assist launch.

However I would expect them to come to the line with a fully charged ES since maximising first lap power is vital.

[johnny comelately]

re Power:
How much is harvested on the warm up lap to assist the ICE at launch?

It depends what you mean by launch.

Off the line, from 0 kph, they can’t use the MGU-K, its use is not allowed until they reach 100 kph. After that they are traction limited to around 160 kph.

They might use some energy from the ES to drive the compressor right at the start, but probably not.

So from that perspective they harvest zero energy specifically to assist launch.

However I would expect them to come to the line with a fully charged ES since maximising first lap power is vital.

Thanks for that Henry.
So, for my purposes, launch is all by ICE (i understand what you are saying re the turbo) BUT at say 1/8th mile (100kph) they can use electric ?? or, after that, is the traction limited by rule not actual tyre slippage?

[hurril]

re Power:
How much is harvested on the warm up lap to assist the ICE at launch?

It depends what you mean by launch.

Off the line, from 0 kph, they can’t use the MGU-K, its use is not allowed until they reach 100 kph. After that they are traction limited to around 160 kph.

They might use some energy from the ES to drive the compressor right at the start, but probably not.

So from that perspective they harvest zero energy specifically to assist launch.

However I would expect them to come to the line with a fully charged ES since maximising first lap power is vital.

Are they forbidden to have the MGU-k active in any fashion or just as a motor?

[henry]

re Power:
How much is harvested on the warm up lap to assist the ICE at launch?

It depends what you mean by launch.

Off the line, from 0 kph, they can’t use the MGU-K, its use is not allowed until they reach 100 kph. After that they are traction limited to around 160 kph.

They might use some energy from the ES to drive the compressor right at the start, but probably not.

So from that perspective they harvest zero energy specifically to assist launch.

However I would expect them to come to the line with a fully charged ES since maximising first lap power is vital.

Thanks for that Henry.
So, for my purposes, launch is all by ICE (i understand what you are saying re the turbo) BUT at say 1/8th mile (100kph) they can use electric ?? or, after that, is the traction limited by rule not actual tyre slippage?

The traction limit is tyre slippage.

You are some way off the distance at which they hit 100 kph. It’s probably in the range 30 to 40 m. The car starting 4th may well hit that speed at the start finish line. At 1/8 mile they’ll be well north of 200 kph.

[godlameroso]

So, who has an accurate 1/4 mile ET for any of the current leading cars.

I do know that some F1 engineers that spent some time with one of the top fuel outfits in Florida to learn about launch and clutch setup etc; circa 2001

~8.5 seconds for the 400m

PS Sochi has a very nice run up to turn 2, way over 400m.

In Bahrain the run from the starting line to the speed trap is exactly 400 m Bottas did a 8.6 @ 155 mph or 250kph, but his 60' is terrible almost 2 seconds.

[AJI]

Are they forbidden to have the MGU-k active in any fashion or just as a motor?

My understanding is that they are forbidden to use it at all up to 100kmh (at the start) primarily so it can't be used as traction control.

[johnny comelately]

So, who has an accurate 1/4 mile ET for any of the current leading cars.

I do know that some F1 engineers that spent some time with one of the top fuel outfits in Florida to learn about launch and clutch setup etc; circa 2001

~8.5 seconds for the 400m

PS Sochi has a very nice run up to turn 2, way over 400m.

In Bahrain the run from the starting line to the speed trap is exactly 400 m Bottas did a 8.6 @ 155 mph or 250kph, but his 60' is terrible almost 2 seconds.

Thank you for that, it verifies the times
when did Miami go metric ?
The 60 foot time is a shocker.

[godlameroso]

So, who has an accurate 1/4 mile ET for any of the current leading cars.

I do know that some F1 engineers that spent some time with one of the top fuel outfits in Florida to learn about launch and clutch setup etc; circa 2001

~8.5 seconds for the 400m

PS Sochi has a very nice run up to turn 2, way over 400m.

In Bahrain the run from the starting line to the speed trap is exactly 400 m Bottas did a 8.6 @ 155 mph or 250kph, but his 60' is terrible almost 2 seconds.

Thank you for that, it verifies the times
when did Miami go metric ?
The 60 foot time is a shocker.

South American people are very familiar with metric, but there's also nothing wrong with Sumerian 12.