2018 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, 22 -25 March

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Re: 2018 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, 22 -25 March

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FrukostScones wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 18:30
what is this dated looking badly edited crap.
I think you Europeans are going to be in for a rude awakening now that an American company is running the show. Your social norms are quite a bit different from ours!
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dans79 wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 18:35
FrukostScones wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 18:30
what is this dated looking badly edited crap.
I think you Europeans are going to be in for a rude awakening now that an American company is running the show. Your social norms are quite a bit different from ours!
Yeah, we are rude!
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dans79 wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 17:59
Liberty has the new intro up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtqq_KbfUx0
This was one of the best videos. From a few years back!


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Merc do seem to 'play the game' here and with the restriction on engines I think they would 'throttle back' the power they allow to be used in normal conditions and keep a little dagger in their sock just incase they have an unforeseen event or two

They want the maximum interest the same as any others do, but they have the capability of creating it artificially.
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Nothing wrong with the Liberty Media video. I enjoyed it. Feels fresh.

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GeorgeF1OM wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 17:53
The race simulations during F1 testing turned out that quite a few teams had to slow down their drivers in order to stay within the fuel limit of 105kg per race. As far as I remember Ferrari and Renault were among them but not Mercedes.

If this proves true, I think this could be the decisive factor resulting in another year of their dominance because fuel saving would hit the other engines on every track, regardless of weather, tarmac, tyre choices or whatsoever.

On the other hand it could probably help Force India and Williams move up into upper midfield?
Good point, Australia uses 22g/sec of fuel on average assuming a 105kg fuel load. This is out of a possible 27.77g/sec. Something fishy is going on if Mercedes can do the race averaging 18g/sec of fuel with the same output as others using 22g/sec. The advantage is still preposterous. In other words their efficiency comes from turning their engine down.
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dans79 wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 17:59
Liberty has the new intro up!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtqq_KbfUx0
Nice to see Liberty consulting with Lewis Hamilton on where the future of F1 marketing is going. :mrgreen:
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Gerhardsa wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 09:29
Well, that just means the other teams didn't do a good enough job honestly. But I don't think it will be too big a gap, if there is one at all.
I think you might be in for a disappointment. Everything points to more Mercedes domination. Ferrari don't understand their new chassis, Newey has already thrown the towel because of Mercedes' engine.

I am just bracing for the worst possible scenario, which is likely another 2015.

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Kingshark wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 22:35
I am just bracing for the worst possible scenario, which is likely another 2015.
or 2011 or 2013. Happens a lot doesn't it?
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Yes it does. But because it is Hammy and Merc we should rejoice?

Bernie came to power by giving the garage teams the collective power they had (and then taking it for himselve) what now should happen is liberty doing the same as was done in English football, making sure all teams eat out of the hive and not barely enough to survive but actually thrive. If that happens competition will come back.

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Sieper wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 22:50
what now should happen is liberty doing the same as was done in English football, making sure all teams eat out of the hive and not barely enough to survive but actually thrive. If that happens competition will come back.
That's not competition, it's social engineering for the sake of creating fake drama and intrigue. In real competition only the strongest survive.
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Yes, like in UK football (or american for that matter). You have to make sure there are enough strong ones to compete eachother.

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dans79 wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 23:38
In real competition only the strongest survive.
Agreed. But if one wants a series that lasts for more than a handful of iterations, one needs to introduce a non-competition element that allows the less-than-competitive to survive. The alternative is tnat one survives to the detriment of all others. In F1, the non-competition element is provided by rule changes. Mercedes, of course, won that battle.
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godlameroso wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 20:03
GeorgeF1OM wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 17:53
The race simulations during F1 testing turned out that quite a few teams had to slow down their drivers in order to stay within the fuel limit of 105kg per race. As far as I remember Ferrari and Renault were among them but not Mercedes.

If this proves true, I think this could be the decisive factor resulting in another year of their dominance because fuel saving would hit the other engines on every track, regardless of weather, tarmac, tyre choices or whatsoever.

On the other hand it could probably help Force India and Williams move up into upper midfield?
Good point, Australia uses 22g/sec of fuel on average assuming a 105kg fuel load. This is out of a possible 27.77g/sec. Something fishy is going on if Mercedes can do the race averaging 18g/sec of fuel with the same output as others using 22g/sec. The advantage is still preposterous. In other words their efficiency comes from turning their engine down.
On an average 90 min. race that means they could spare 21,4kg of fuel or gain 7 to 8 tenths per lap ... that`s a little bit to much, don`t you think? I mean it could be doable but they`ll be way down on power (18g/22g=20% less so they could end with almost 100HP less ...)

Question: could they run an engine mapping with a leaner fuel mixture in some turns bearing in mind they are tyre limited and could not put the whole power on the ground?
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Just_a_fan wrote:
17 Mar 2018, 00:45
dans79 wrote:
16 Mar 2018, 23:38
In real competition only the strongest survive.
Agreed. But if one wants a series that lasts for more than a handful of iterations, one needs to introduce a non-competition element that allows the less-than-competitive to survive. The alternative is tnat one survives to the detriment of all others. In F1, the non-competition element is provided by rule changes. Mercedes, of course, won that battle.
Agreed, and even after being proved wrong twice they still continue to push rule changes as the way to increase competition where the opposite is actually the case, the longer the rules stay the same the tighter the field becomes and the cheaper it is to be competitive for the back markers.
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