Why are you guys ignoring aero efficiency? Drag has just as much if not more influence on how much fuel these cars have and in the past high rake philosophy has been connected to high drag as well.godlameroso wrote: ↑17 Mar 2018, 17:18That's the advantage Mercedes has with fuel efficiency, they can run their engines at the same power as their competitors for far longer, which means there's more power on tap, they just don't use it.atanatizante wrote: ↑17 Mar 2018, 14:25On an average 90 min. race that means they could spare 21,4kg of fuel or gain 7 to 8 tenths per lap ... that`s a little bit to much, don`t you think? I mean it could be doable but they`ll be way down on power (18g/22g=20% less so they could end with almost 100HP less ...)godlameroso wrote: ↑16 Mar 2018, 20:03
Good point, Australia uses 22g/sec of fuel on average assuming a 105kg fuel load. This is out of a possible 27.77g/sec. Something fishy is going on if Mercedes can do the race averaging 18g/sec of fuel with the same output as others using 22g/sec. The advantage is still preposterous. In other words their efficiency comes from turning their engine down.
Question: could they run an engine mapping with a leaner fuel mixture in some turns bearing in mind they are tyre limited and could not put the whole power on the ground?
Mercedes wins in two ways, others have to use more fuel to match their power, so they under fuel their cars, gain from lower weight, with no sacrifice in relative power. Even with an overweight car you'll still be lighter than the others because you're carrying 7-12kg less fuel.
Pecking order does not change with rain, cars with most down force and engine power will be at the frontfoxmulder_ms wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 22:41I prefer a dry start for the season. I just want to see the pecking order.
I guess RB sincerely think that they can be on the top. PU would play an slightly less important role so they could benefit from it.FW17 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 09:34Pecking order does not change with rain, cars with most down force and engine power will be at the frontfoxmulder_ms wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 22:41I prefer a dry start for the season. I just want to see the pecking order.
It can still shuffle things, dependent on the car. For example a few years ago Williams had a fairly solid performing car, but it was useless in the wet (which could have been part driver...).FW17 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 09:34Pecking order does not change with rain, cars with most down force and engine power will be at the frontfoxmulder_ms wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 22:41I prefer a dry start for the season. I just want to see the pecking order.
The pecking order in general won't change, but for this race rain can be critical because it's a very tricky one in the rain. It will be a show from Hamilton & Verstappen who declassify the rest of the field....FW17 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 09:34Pecking order does not change with rain, cars with most down force and engine power will be at the frontfoxmulder_ms wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 22:41I prefer a dry start for the season. I just want to see the pecking order.
Not when its a one, or even two off.
won't be raining on Sunday.
The car lacked downforce so it could explain why they peformed poorly. Anyway, Massa and Botas were not precisely top-class under the rain.Ennis wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 11:01It can still shuffle things, dependent on the car. For example a few years ago Williams had a fairly solid performing car, but it was useless in the wet (which could have been part driver...).FW17 wrote: ↑20 Mar 2018, 09:34Pecking order does not change with rain, cars with most down force and engine power will be at the frontfoxmulder_ms wrote: ↑19 Mar 2018, 22:41I prefer a dry start for the season. I just want to see the pecking order.
The engine benefits become less pronounced. Getting the setup right can also shuffle the pack, as they're ultimately driving in conditions their car isn't always optimised for.