2018 Australian Grand Prix - Melbourne, 22 -25 March

[djones]

I honestly think there will be the same 'boost' in qualifying from Mercedes.

The only team that had evidence of extra burning was Ferrari (when the second tank was found). Mercedes have always denied it and even now are saying their Q3 mode is even better than before. They are never the sort of team to play things up like that, they always play things down and say how good the competition is etc.

It only ever seems to be RedBull complaining about extra burning. But then.... don't they complain about most things, especially engine related. They also brought up wanting all teams to have the same engines (per manufacturer) as well. Its like they blame everything on the engines and cannot accept it is ever anything to do with their car.

[Santozini]

I find it funny how some people still believe that only Ferrari was using oil to boost their performance..

Mercedes built their PU's to exploit this and up to last year they were doing it (with new regs this year, Mercedes built a whole new engine, I wonder way..). Ferrari didn't build their PUs with that in mind, and when they figured it out, went guns blazing and did it in a not so subtle way (second oil tank). Easier to point the finger at...

Renault never managed to do it, hence RB always complaining about Merc and Ferrari..

Or...

Maybe Mercedes PU advantage is another "Divine Intervention"

[Gothrek]

I honestly think there will be the same 'boost' in qualifying from Mercedes.

The only team that had evidence of extra burning was Ferrari (when the second tank was found). Mercedes have always denied it and even now are saying their Q3 mode is even better than before. They are never the sort of team to play things up like that, they always play things down and say how good the competition is etc.

It only ever seems to be RedBull complaining about extra burning. But then.... don't they complain about most things, especially engine related. They also brought up wanting all teams to have the same engines (per manufacturer) as well. Its like they blame everything on the engines and cannot accept it is ever anything to do with their car.

Then why oh why did Mercedes choose to select a new engine at SPA and not at Monza last season? Because as of Monza the oil regulations got more strict. Ferrari didn't do this, only Mercedes did.

[KeiKo403]

But they still complied with the post Monza regulations, or so they said anyway.

It'll be interesting to hear little snippets of information over the next few days and then see what teams are complaining about from other teams.

[f1316]

It only ever seems to be RedBull complaining about extra burning. But then....

Other than that it was, by all accounts, James Allison who reported the Ferrari second oil tank to the officials (the advantage of insider knowledge).

[santos]

But they still complied with the post Monza regulations, or so they said anyway.

It'll be interesting to hear little snippets of information over the next few days and then see what teams are complaining about from other teams.

The limit of 0.9l per 100km was imposed to the engines used after SPA. Any new engine intruduced at Monza or after that, had to comply that rule. But Mercedes intruduced the last engine of the season at SPA, wich was allowed to burn 1.2l per 100km...

[Restomaniac]

I honestly think there will be the same 'boost' in qualifying from Mercedes.

The only team that had evidence of extra burning was Ferrari (when the second tank was found). Mercedes have always denied it and even now are saying their Q3 mode is even better than before. They are never the sort of team to play things up like that, they always play things down and say how good the competition is etc.

It only ever seems to be RedBull complaining about extra burning. But then.... don't they complain about most things, especially engine related. They also brought up wanting all teams to have the same engines (per manufacturer) as well. Its like they blame everything on the engines and cannot accept it is ever anything to do with their car.

Then why oh why did Mercedes choose to select a new engine at SPA and not at Monza last season? Because as of Monza the oil regulations got more strict. Ferrari didn't do this, only Mercedes did.

Please give all the info.

Mercedes confirmed that the new PU's complied with the new regs anyway.

[Restomaniac]

But they still complied with the post Monza regulations, or so they said anyway.

It'll be interesting to hear little snippets of information over the next few days and then see what teams are complaining about from other teams.

The limit of 0.9l per 100km was imposed to the engines used after SPA. Any new engine intruduced at Monza or after that, had to comply that rule. But Mercedes intruduced the last engine of the season at SPA, wich was allowed to burn 1.2l per 100km...

It's clear he understood that and I think you have missed his point.

Mercedes stated that even though they were changed before the regs they would be ran as if they had been introduced afterwards.

[Santozini]

But they still complied with the post Monza regulations, or so they said anyway.

It'll be interesting to hear little snippets of information over the next few days and then see what teams are complaining about from other teams.

The limit of 0.9l per 100km was imposed to the engines used after SPA. Any new engine intruduced at Monza or after that, had to comply that rule. But Mercedes intruduced the last engine of the season at SPA, wich was allowed to burn 1.2l per 100km...

I don't get why some people believe Mercedes is all so morally correct. I'm not saying they are not, but F1 is a very competitive sport, everyone is pushing to the limit and beyond, and everyone will use anything if they can get an advantage.

Nobody can afford to miss an opportunity. We would be naive to think otherwise.

To sum it up:
Mercedes used oil to improve performance
Ferrari used oil to improve performance
Renault couldn't find a way to do it (yet)
Honda was too busy sorting out other issues of their PU

[santos]

But they still complied with the post Monza regulations, or so they said anyway.

It'll be interesting to hear little snippets of information over the next few days and then see what teams are complaining about from other teams.

The limit of 0.9l per 100km was imposed to the engines used after SPA. Any new engine intruduced at Monza or after that, had to comply that rule. But Mercedes intruduced the last engine of the season at SPA, wich was allowed to burn 1.2l per 100km...

It's clear he understood that and I think you have missed his point.

Mercedes stated that even though they were changed before the regs they would be ran as if they had been introduced afterwards.

Why should we belive in a statement? If they could use that advantage, why wouldn't they use?

[Santozini]

Mercedes stated that even though they were changed before the regs they would be ran as if they had been introduced afterwards.

Well, if they stated it, we shall believe. After all, F1 teams are know for their openness and reliable source of information, especially about what they do on the background to win races.

[Restomaniac]

The limit of 0.9l per 100km was imposed to the engines used after SPA. Any new engine intruduced at Monza or after that, had to comply that rule. But Mercedes intruduced the last engine of the season at SPA, wich was allowed to burn 1.2l per 100km...

It's clear he understood that and I think you have missed his point.

Mercedes stated that even though they were changed before the regs they would be ran as if they had been introduced afterwards.

Why should we belive in a statement? If they could use that advantage, why wouldn't they use?

Yet no other team in F1 really questioned that statement. No customer team, not Ferrari and not RedBull. Plus no rumours to the contrary came out of a F1 paddock that can't keep any secrets. If Ferrari, RedBull and the FIA had seen what they would class as bending the rules they would have screamed blue murder and yet.....they didn't.

Sorry but it came across to me as Mercedes giving Ferrari the middle finger. With a 'look we can do this easy' attitude.

[Restomaniac]

Mercedes stated that even though they were changed before the regs they would be ran as if they had been introduced afterwards.

Well, if they stated it, we shall believe. After all, F1 teams are know for their openness and reliable source of information, especially about what they do on the background to win races.

The F1 paddock is known to leak info like a sieve and yet no info popped up saying it was BS. Strange that.

[Phil]

Well, if they stated it, we shall believe. After all, F1 teams are know for their openness and reliable source of information, especially about what they do on the background to win races.

I honestly don't know why you are going on about this. Yes, Mercedes introduced their engine last year before the 0.9l/100 spec change. But Mercedes directly (through Toto) confirmed that they didn't do it to get around the oil limitation and that their engine will comply with the 0.9l. It's the best information we have and I see no reason to not believe it if it was already voiced directly.

What should be way more interesting to this season is that Renault are supposedly using 0.1l/100km (Quote by RB/Helmut) and Mercedes and Ferrari are at the now limit of 0.6l/100.

[thevlack]

lol Vettel...