2018 Bahrain Grand Prix - Sakhir, April 6-8

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Edax wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:46
Not having to watch 14 people increases the overview, and reduces the chance of mistakes like this. And it is a natural way to bring the pit stop times up.
I think the Ferrari system is automated based on the gun use. I don't think they have a man pressing the go button anymore.
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bonjon1979 wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:56
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08 Apr 2018, 21:10
TwanV wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 20:50
Totally irrelevant, I could post the same fragments of Hamilton shannanigans throughout his career. Sorry to tell you tag, this was a non-DRS pass that's the only difference. max had his wheels in front of Hamilton before the apex. The rule book is quite clear on those situations.
Verstappen completed the pass. The majority of opinions presented are that Verstappen was too aggressive or spatially unaware on how much space to leave another driver. The problem is it was a racing incident that was unnecessary.
Exactly. It was done, Verstappen had the corner, he then straightened the wheel and went even wider to the very confines of the track. Hamilton had nowhere to go, is he supposed to go onto the grass and risk spinning and taking them both out? Verstappen was far too aggressive, it’s bizarre that he says Hamilton had room when he literally drove straight to the edge of the track. A car may be ahead but that doesn’t mean the other car can disappear.
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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:57
Edax wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:46
Not having to watch 14 people increases the overview, and reduces the chance of mistakes like this. And it is a natural way to bring the pit stop times up.
I think the Ferrari system is automated based on the gun use. I don't think they have a man pressing the go button anymore.
Did Webber not say (paraphrased) that when the gun senses the nut is torqued up it sends a 'good' signal?
This would seem to indicate there is not a man in the loop
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Big Tea wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 22:00
Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:57
Edax wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:46
Not having to watch 14 people increases the overview, and reduces the chance of mistakes like this. And it is a natural way to bring the pit stop times up.
I think the Ferrari system is automated based on the gun use. I don't think they have a man pressing the go button anymore.
Did Webber not say (paraphrased) that when the gun senses the nut is torqued up it sends a 'good' signal?
This would seem to indicate there is not a man in the loop
There has to be.. If another car is coming down the pitlane you'll have to wait with the release. If it's close of course.

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gandharva wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 22:13
50,000 $ fine for Ferrari

https://www.fia.com/file/67145/download?token=9NuCQiG3
What a farce, Ferrari gets 40 mil per year just because they are Ferrari, so they will just deduct this out
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MtthsMlw wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 22:07
Big Tea wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 22:00
Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:57


I think the Ferrari system is automated based on the gun use. I don't think they have a man pressing the go button anymore.
Did Webber not say (paraphrased) that when the gun senses the nut is torqued up it sends a 'good' signal?
This would seem to indicate there is not a man in the loop
There has to be.. If another car is coming down the pitlane you'll have to wait with the release. If it's close of course.
Could that not be sensor driven too?
Makes more sense to have a pit boss though
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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:57
Edax wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:46
Not having to watch 14 people increases the overview, and reduces the chance of mistakes like this. And it is a natural way to bring the pit stop times up.
I think the Ferrari system is automated based on the gun use. I don't think they have a man pressing the go button anymore.
Even that, he doesn't remove the tyre, so the gun spun only to one side (unscrew) not back as the old tyre was still in place...
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Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:57
Edax wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:46
Not having to watch 14 people increases the overview, and reduces the chance of mistakes like this. And it is a natural way to bring the pit stop times up.
I think the Ferrari system is automated based on the gun use. I don't think they have a man pressing the go button anymore.
Today they showed on german TV how such a gun works. There is an extra button on the gun which the mechanic has to press to make the light turn green at the end. That's what I've understood. I don't know if it's the same system for every team though.
Now, it's the question if Ferrari had some kind of a glitch or the mechanic accidentally pressed the button.

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Big Tea wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 22:15
Could that not be sensor driven too?
Makes more sense to have a pit boss though
Well there is definitly a guy that is looking up the pit lane to make sure no one is coming. I remember from a few years ago that this guy has a controller which can overwrite the automatic system.

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LM10 wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 22:18
Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:57
Edax wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:46
Not having to watch 14 people increases the overview, and reduces the chance of mistakes like this. And it is a natural way to bring the pit stop times up.
I think the Ferrari system is automated based on the gun use. I don't think they have a man pressing the go button anymore.
Today they showed on german TV how such a gun works. There is an extra button on the gun which the mechanic has to press to make the light turn green at the end. That's what I've understood. I don't know if it's the same system for every team though.
Now, it's the question if Ferrari had some kind of a glitch or the mechanic accidentally pressed the button.
That is the system demonstrated as the one Haas used. The wheelman said that they practice it so many times they sort of automatically press the button from habit
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Wass85 wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:50
Hamilton had a very bad start and first lap, from being way too cautious in the first corner and getting overtaken by Alonso and Verstappen he was very fortunate to get 3rd place.
TBH he had nowhere to go as he had a Haas right in front of him. He ended up right where he started after having to slam the brakes on.

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Big Tea wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 22:21
LM10 wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 22:18
Just_a_fan wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 21:57


I think the Ferrari system is automated based on the gun use. I don't think they have a man pressing the go button anymore.
Today they showed on german TV how such a gun works. There is an extra button on the gun which the mechanic has to press to make the light turn green at the end. That's what I've understood. I don't know if it's the same system for every team though.
Now, it's the question if Ferrari had some kind of a glitch or the mechanic accidentally pressed the button.
That is the system demonstrated as the one Haas used. The wheelman said that they practice it so many times they sort of automatically press the button from habit
Sounds plausible. But very strange to think of the mechanic pressing it even without having removed the tyre. A combination of nervousness and a strong habit right there.

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gandharva wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 22:13
50,000 $ fine for Ferrari

https://www.fia.com/file/67145/download?token=9NuCQiG3
The FiA should sign the check over the the wheelman.
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foxmulder_ms wrote:
08 Apr 2018, 20:05

Looking forward to China! Expect Mercedes 1-2 there. And really curious what will Honda do there.
What makes you think that Bottas will manage to end the race at P2 at least?