Scuderia Ferrari crew broken leg

[mycadcae]

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bent leg...

[GPR-A duplicate2]

"The operation went well," he wrote on Instagram.

"I want to thank all the people who asked about me and worried.

"Only a big thank you. Hugs."

[Fulcrum]

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"The operation went well," he wrote on Instagram.

"I want to thank all the people who asked about me and worried.

"Only a big thank you. Hugs."

I'll probably get down-voted for this. People who may not have included Kimi.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, in that he may just have been doing standard 'Kimi speak' when interviewed, but he came across as extremely tone deaf - to put it politely.

I know it wasn't his fault, just suggesting he could have appeared more concerned than as if nothing had happened.

[mycadcae]

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"The operation went well," he wrote on Instagram.

"I want to thank all the people who asked about me and worried.

"Only a big thank you. Hugs."

I'll probably get down-voted for this. People who may not have included Kimi.

I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt, in that he may just have been doing standard 'Kimi speak' when interviewed, but he came across as extremely tone deaf - to put it politely.

I know it wasn't his fault, just suggesting he could have appeared more concerned than as if nothing had happened.

Ferrrari fined €50,000 for unsafe release



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[dren]

I'm curious, when Ferrari gets fined, who receives the payment and what is it used for?

[FelixAustria]

I'm curious, when Ferrari gets fined, who receives the payment and what is it used for?

to my knowledge, all payments derived of fines are cashed by FIA and they use it for security awareness programmes/campaigns or similar stuff.

Probably it's a bit cynical, but I still wonder why Ferrari retired Kimi's car after the pit incident unsolicitedly.

Why didn't they just change that fourth tyre and let him continue the race? Even considering that Kimi would spent probably additional 30 seconds in the pits that should still be enough to secure an easy 4. position in the classification considering that both Red Bulls were already out and the midfield about 50 seconds behind Hamilton in 3. position.

Is there are rule that forces a team to retire in any case after an unsafe release?

The command "Kimi, stop the car immediately" to me doesn't imply that he can't proceed if the issue can be solved, which they could as the car was still just a couple of meters away of Ferrari's pit booth.

[digitalrurouni]

The fine should be a lot more. Doesn't Ferrari get like 40 million just for participating. It should be at least a quarter million dollar fine instead of 50k.

[F1NAC]

I'm curious, when Ferrari gets fined, who receives the payment and what is it used for?

Probably it's a bit cynical, but I still wonder why Ferrari retired Kimi's car after the pit incident unsolicitedly.

Why didn't they just change that fourth tyre and let him continue the race? Even considering that Kimi would spent probably additional 30 seconds in the pits that should still be enough to secure an easy 4. position in the classification considering that both Red Bulls were already out and the midfield about 50 seconds behind Hamilton in 3. position.

Is there are rule that forces a team to retire in any case after an unsafe release?

The command "Kimi, stop the car immediately" to me doesn't imply that he can't proceed if the issue can be solved, which they could as the car was still just a couple of meters away of Ferrari's pit booth.

Because there was one man laying on the ground with visibly broken leg. You cannot just drag him of the pitlane.

[FelixAustria]

yes, and he was taken care about immediately. But the rest of the pit crew is still there to finish the job. And they only needed 3 or 4 guys to do it.

So they could have carried that car-jack and the fourth tyre to Kimi's car and change it there instead on the regular spot. He was parking anyway out of the pitlane, so other cars still could pass by. If the cable of the wheel gun wouldn't have enough reach the crew would have to push back the car a bit, but still: The job could have been done, despite the accident.

So why didn't they do it? After all, it's a race and they've thrown away a valuable fourth place without even trying to save it.

[Manoah2u]

as far as i'm aware, they're only allowed to do work on the car in their designated pit square, so anything outside of that is a rule breach and thus could risk in DSQ.

the only option than was to keep driving and return to the pits the lap after in the hope there is space, and replace the wheel. that would have been a guaranteed unsafe release anyway, but they did get it in the end either way. it would also be rather risky to drive without knowing whether the wheel was safely attached or not.
something went wrong and at that moment - in the commotion - there was no way of knowing it was safe to drive.
the car couldn't stay in it's position either because it was a hazard for other cars in the pitlane, so it had to be moved.

the team told kimi stop the car stop the car stop the car, so kimi didn't do much wrong anyway in regards to that. he could not have known exactly what happned, only that something happened and that he 'bumped' over something - in this case, someone.

the time waiting for the crewmember to be 'removed' would take too long to do anything afterwards anyway, and last but not least,
it might be relatively minor 'shunt' on the car itself, but we have no idea what the abnormal movement would have done to the suspension aswell.
look at verstappen - the forces offcourse were vastly different, but a tiny bump could cause unwanted side effects, and again, what happened to the wheel / nut right then and there?

let's not forget that there must have been some reason why the wheel did not come off the car in the first place. did kimi make contact during the start? was the wheelnut mounted badly from the get-go? was there damage anyway and could they have had to retire the car anyway, even if there would have been no unsafe release?

finally - i do agree kimi could have shown a bit more sympathy. he was furious and angry, which is very understandable, as he has been getting a lot of that too last year, and he's feeling frustration, not the least because he's surely knowing fully well with every race he's being booted more and more into NR2 driver status, and surely he knows this is effectively his last year with Ferrari - thus F1. But even then, i would find it rather unfathomable he did not notice his pitcrew-mate lying on the floor and not making the slightest effort to show any form of sympathy or attention. he simply walked into the garage, threw with stuff (water bottle) and was steaming. let's just say it was not very gentleman-like of Kimi.
I am sure Senna or 'even' Schumacher would have been right there and actually caring. but whatever.

[dren]

It looked like Kimi walked over and surveyed what had happened, at a distance, and then went into the pits. Usually, when someone is injured, it's best to stay away and let the response team take care of business. I'm sure these pit crews have injury response teams and they have plans on who does what when this happens.

[taperoo2k]

yes, and he was taken care about immediately. But the rest of the pit crew is still there to finish the job. And they only needed 3 or 4 guys to do it.

So they could have carried that car-jack and the fourth tyre to Kimi's car and change it there instead on the regular spot. He was parking anyway out of the pitlane, so other cars still could pass by. If the cable of the wheel gun wouldn't have enough reach the crew would have to push back the car a bit, but still: The job could have been done, despite the accident.

So why didn't they do it? After all, it's a race and they've thrown away a valuable fourth place without even trying to save it.

Probably because of this rule -

Personnel are only allowed in the pit lane immediately before a pit stop and must withdraw to their garages as soon as their work is complete.

Once Kimi set off out of his pit box, that was his pit stop over, no wheeling the car back and especially not when a member of the pit crew is injured. So Kimi would have had to exit the pit lane, and pit within 3 laps to change tyres -

Any driver who uses a set of tyres of differing specifications during the race may not complete more than three laps on this set before changing them for a set of tyres of the same specification. A penalty will be imposed on any driver who does not change tyres within three laps.

I doubt they would have been able to move the injured pit crew member safely within 3 laps or got the pit crew back in the right frame of mind to carry out another pit stop safely. And they likely wouldn't know within 3 laps what went wrong on Kimi's rear wheel - malfunctioning wheel gun, cross threaded wheel nut or a broken hub. So had they sent Kimi out his wheel could have come flying off in the Pit Lane or on the race track. Ferrari made the right decision on this one, I'm sure all the other teams would have made the same choice. Safety comes before all else, you can always win more points in other races. There was no choice but to stop Kimi immediately and retire his car from the race.

[Geiger3000]

Well, I don't get all the bashing Kimi has got over this matter. He can't get to mechanic, because professionals are taking care of him. Also, he said in interviews that it was unfortunate. What should he do? Cry in agony? Even the mechanic has given thumbs up after successful surgery. And it WAS NOT KIMI who threw the water bottle. It was one of the mechanics (see open helmet). If you want to bash someone, then please bash Ferraris faulty systems. These things should not happen.

[marmer]

just on kimi in the pits going out again. i am not sure he could back up under his own power didn't Hamilton do this and get points on his super license.
so he would have had to wait for a crew to jack him up and pull him back. to a pit box that was full of medical staff and i have been on enough first aid courses to know that its better to stabilise straight away than rush moving the person. the medics could't know if they could have just popped the guy quickly onto a stretcher and moved him. just a broken leg it would be safe to move the guy (a bit mean) but they needed to figure out if the skin had been punctured and if any arteries has been opened as can happen with leg breaks.

lets not forget once this process took more than 1 minute kimi would have been a lap down and out of the points so no point wasting engine millage

[Sieper]

Hopefully the mechanic will recover fully, it was a big hit (that can happen, no blame, just a coordination issue that needs to be improved). At first I thought his whole knee was gone, it seemed really dreadful.