sn809 wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 14:53
Bisonas wrote: ↑12 Apr 2018, 10:17
I don't think Honda turn around has anything to do with Tost or TR tbh.
I truly believe that it was just about time to get it right.
Over the last three years they took a lot of wrong directions, they took a lot of wrong decisions , they had a hell lot of failures they did a hell lot of investigations, they did get outside help regarding different directions, they summed up all those experiences, they used all their knowledge from the last 3 years, and they produced a decent engine regarding performance.
IMO no matter with what team they would be, this year it would always gonna be the year that Honda would get it right. It was just too personal for them.
Now all that talking about less pressure better communication etc etc, i don't really buy it.
It was about time for Honda to deliver.
Now they have to prove their reliability and their ability to develop the engine even more.
You have your thoughts and I respect them, but I disagree completely.
It has to do with what TR have done that Mclaren were unwilling to do. Develop something together and make adjustments to the chassis.
Just imagine if you are developing a car and the Gear box you made cannot mate to the engine. Its not 1960.
Whilst I do agree Honda have done a lot of research and dev I think if it would be Mclaren it would be the same result as before multiple failures
If you really think Mclaren is to blame for Honda misfortunes, your are being naive.
Honda was responsible for the engine, Mclaren was responsible for the integration.
So the real Question was , Blame the engine? or the blame the integration ?
You really think Honda engine was a gem the last 3 years?? and Mclarens integration cause all the troubles ?? Well, Think deeper.
I am a Honda fan and i respect their heritage , i was very sad to see them split with Mclaren cause i am Mclaren fan also.
Firts of all Honda is not some new kid on the block. Even if Mclaren suggested something regarding the integration , Honda should be in a position to say NO, if they thought that was no possible. If Honda where saying YES to everything, because they thought it would be ok, it was not Mclarens fault.
When Honda was Dyno testing for 2 years without simulating G-forces on their test bench , and suddenly when G-forces where applied on the car they where discovering all kind of problems it was not Mclarens fault.
When you don't get right the oil tank shape and size ffs , its not Mclarens fault.
As much as i love Honda, they had to endure a very painful learning curve in this new hybrid era.
You can blame Mclaren as much as you like, but deep down , heads where rolling on Honda each year, restructure after restructure on the highest level, until the Honda f1 engine department gets it right.
They didn't care about Mclarens pressure, because their heritage, their history and their culture was giving them 1000 times more pressure than Mclaren could ever give them. They are proud people, and the pressure they can give to themselves is far grater of the pressure Mclaren could ever put them through.
It was about time Honda get it right with their engine and i am saying again IMO TR had nothing to do with it.
I know i am on TR-Honda forum, but i am here mostly about Honda. Sorry if am not giving TR enough credit, but i am speaking mainly about Honda.
I love Honda, and i love japan culture, but they can be really stubborn some times.
It was a personal bet for them this year and they had to deliver. They ought to their history, their heritage and their fans. I really hope the engine proves reliable and that they will be able to develop it even farther.
I hope they surprise us all.
Sorry for my long post.
Edit: I do agree that Mclaren last year tried to make them look worst than what they where, by choosing setups that didn't favor top speed. At some tracks that was true. But Mclaren did that for politics.They wanted to put pressure on FIA to find a solution because the decision to change engine partners was obviously taken early on from Mclaren. Much earlier than we thought.