Formula One's governing body has announced that it has come to a settlement with Scuderia Ferrari after investigations into its 2019 power unit, considered the most powered in F1.
It would seem so yes. There were things they did not understand (bit like showing someone your code and them not quite following your logic and way of doing things I guess), but Ferrari were helpful and tried to explain to the FIA what was going on. And now after a weekend of intense monitoring Mercedes have to walk away as the bad guys as no blatant cheating was discovered. Hopefully this matter is put to bed now, although I doubt it will be.
Somebody came out on here and said "nobody is saying FERRARI is cheating, yet doubts as to what FERRARI was doing are still right now being pushed out. as i said before, in some well known qourters, the usual opinion fomenters, it is automatic believe that "when FERRARI is winning they must be cheating, but when mercedes is winning they must have designed a superior car".Phil wrote: ↑26 May 2018, 19:35Green light? If whatever Ferrari was doing with the battery, was gaining them laptime, they now can no longer do it (supposedly) with the changes the FIA requested. The only “green light” there is, is that the other teams can no longer protest the results on the previous races.
That's also what I understood. Let's see if we will read or hear more on that, but for now that article makes it quite clear.Mamba wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 10:39It would seem so yes. There were things they did not understand (bit like showing someone your code and them not quite following your logic and way of doing things I guess), but Ferrari were helpful and tried to explain to the FIA what was going on. And now after a weekend of intense monitoring Mercedes have to walk away as the bad guys as no blatant cheating was discovered. Hopefully this matter is put to bed now, although I doubt it will be.
No, not according to Auto-Motor-und-Sport.
Assuming you can speak German, I highlighted the key sentences. Translated, it means:AMuS wrote:Die FIA-Kommissare sind mit den Änderungen am Energiemanagement von Ferrari zufrieden. Betrug ist jetzt ausgeschlossen. Ein Gang vor das Berufungsgericht der FIA wegen möglicher Unregelmäßigkeiten in Baku und Barcelona hätte nur wenig Erfolgsaussichten.
Charlie’s comments clearly vindicate Ferrari both in the past and moving forward. It is only Mercedes, Mercedes fans and German publications (coincidence...?) that continue to imply that Ferrari were in breach of any regulation.CriXus wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 13:10AMUS is the only one saying Ferrari had to change their ERS!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... a-1042149/
The FIA has concluded its investigation into Ferrari’s battery system, clearing the Italian outfit of any wrongdoing after suspicions it had found a clever way of getting around the rules.
Speculation over the past few weeks has suggested that Ferrari was under the spotlight, as rumours swirled that its battery system could be utilised in a way of delivering more power per lap than is allowed.
There were even suggestions that the matter could go as far as an official protest.
Speaking for the first time about the matter, F1 race director Charlie Whiting has said that Mercedes technical director James Allison first approached the FIA at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
Mercedes was eager to get some clarity on the situation, as it was unable to explain certain performance characteristics of the Ferrari car.
The FIA duly opened an investigation in to the matter and, despite suggesting that Ferrari had "difficulty" fully explaining the characteristics of its battery, the governing body's conclusion reached in Monaco is that there was nothing untoward happening.
Whiting was quoted as saying by the Reuters news agency: “We had some concerns in Baku that were difficult to explain and we worked through it with them,”
“[The rulebook] says that it is the duty of the competitor to satisfy the FIA that their car complies at all times and they were having difficulty satisfying us. Here, we are now satisfied.”
Whiting added that the probe into the matter had not been easy, and there some aspects of what Ferrari was doing that were not easy to understand
“Some things in the data we could not quite explain... we went through it with Ferrari and they gave explanations which were not particularly convincing,” he said.
“We wanted to really get to the bottom of it and in Spain, they took some measures to make sure we understood it more and that we were seeing things that we were happy with.”
The FIA has also expressed some frustration that the matter had become such a big talking point over the past few weeks, while the investigation was underway.
“The matter was exacerbated by unsubstantiated speculation that went through the paddock like wildfire,” added Whiting.
FIA president Jean Todt said: “If a team has some doubts, they could have made a protest. It would be much more healthy rather than to manipulate the press to address the problem.”
Ferrari has declined to comment on the matter.
Did you see the whiting interview on sky? He clearly said that the issue arose because of someone moving from Ferrari to Mercedes and informing them of what was going on. There was clearly something afoot but they have made changes.JPBD1990 wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 13:21Charlie’s comments clearly vindicate Ferrari both in the past and moving forward. It is only Mercedes, Mercedes fans and German publications (coincidence...?) that continue to imply that Ferrari were in breach of any regulation.CriXus wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 13:10AMUS is the only one saying Ferrari had to change their ERS!
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/ferr ... a-1042149/
The FIA has concluded its investigation into Ferrari’s battery system, clearing the Italian outfit of any wrongdoing after suspicions it had found a clever way of getting around the rules.
Speculation over the past few weeks has suggested that Ferrari was under the spotlight, as rumours swirled that its battery system could be utilised in a way of delivering more power per lap than is allowed.
There were even suggestions that the matter could go as far as an official protest.
Speaking for the first time about the matter, F1 race director Charlie Whiting has said that Mercedes technical director James Allison first approached the FIA at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
Mercedes was eager to get some clarity on the situation, as it was unable to explain certain performance characteristics of the Ferrari car.
The FIA duly opened an investigation in to the matter and, despite suggesting that Ferrari had "difficulty" fully explaining the characteristics of its battery, the governing body's conclusion reached in Monaco is that there was nothing untoward happening.
Whiting was quoted as saying by the Reuters news agency: “We had some concerns in Baku that were difficult to explain and we worked through it with them,”
“[The rulebook] says that it is the duty of the competitor to satisfy the FIA that their car complies at all times and they were having difficulty satisfying us. Here, we are now satisfied.”
Whiting added that the probe into the matter had not been easy, and there some aspects of what Ferrari was doing that were not easy to understand
“Some things in the data we could not quite explain... we went through it with Ferrari and they gave explanations which were not particularly convincing,” he said.
“We wanted to really get to the bottom of it and in Spain, they took some measures to make sure we understood it more and that we were seeing things that we were happy with.”
The FIA has also expressed some frustration that the matter had become such a big talking point over the past few weeks, while the investigation was underway.
“The matter was exacerbated by unsubstantiated speculation that went through the paddock like wildfire,” added Whiting.
FIA president Jean Todt said: “If a team has some doubts, they could have made a protest. It would be much more healthy rather than to manipulate the press to address the problem.”
Ferrari has declined to comment on the matter.
Is not a vindication really. That's a "they sound like they're trying to hide something but we don't know what and can't figure it out".we went through it with Ferrari and they gave explanations which were not particularly convincing,
I don't think Ferrari changed anything apart from a possible monitoring device for verification. That is not a change in Ferrari engine.bonjon1979 wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 18:12
Did you see the whiting interview on sky? He clearly said that the issue arose because of someone moving from Ferrari to Mercedes and informing them of what was going on. There was clearly something afoot but they have made changes.
I haven't seen the interview (and don't watch Sky) but according to the Reuters report:bonjon1979 wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 18:12Did you see the whiting interview on sky? He clearly said that the issue arose because of someone moving from Ferrari to Mercedes and informing them of what was going on. There was clearly something afoot but they have made changes.
Random thought. Remember the Ferrari floor that had chases and temperature gauges? Could the loophole have had something to do with routing cables outside the dimensional regulations box of the PU?Phil wrote: ↑27 May 2018, 13:03No, not according to Auto-Motor-und-Sport.
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... naco-2018/
Assuming you can speak German, I highlighted the key sentences. Translated, it means:AMuS wrote:Die FIA-Kommissare sind mit den Änderungen am Energiemanagement von Ferrari zufrieden. Betrug ist jetzt ausgeschlossen. Ein Gang vor das Berufungsgericht der FIA wegen möglicher Unregelmäßigkeiten in Baku und Barcelona hätte nur wenig Erfolgsaussichten.
The FIA stewards are pleased with the changes Ferrari made with their energy-management. Cheating/fraud/abuse is NOW impossible/eliminated.
This implies pretty much what I posted the page before. There were concerned Ferrari found a way to bypass the FIA sensor and pull more from the battery than allowed. Proving so is difficult, because it's a very complex solution Ferrari are obviously using. Going forward, the FIA requested changes that Ferrari made and now the FIA are convinced cheating is not possible.
Of course, there is no proof that Ferrari were bypassing the sensor and gaining an advantage, other than competing teams suspicion and GPS data that suggested it in the first place. You can draw your own conclusions on that. From the above however, it is unambiguously clear that changes have been made at the request of the FIA and a potential loop hole has been closed. If that loophole was used or not, we'll never know. We do know that it can no longer be used now, however.
