Minor regulation change to make the car look better

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DiogoBrand wrote:
24 May 2018, 16:18
Just_a_fan wrote:
24 May 2018, 09:40
As for the thread otherwise, meh, another "this is what I think looks good so F1 should change to suit me" thread. There are plenty on F1Technical these days.
It's either "F1 need to change because I find the cars ugly" or "F1 needs to change because I don't find it exciting". There was even a post about F1 going back to steel brakes on Racedepartment.
Steel brakes would be quite interesting for racing (push hard with a cool-down phase would be much better that the tire performance fall-off, since brake discs can recover while tires cannot), but bad for lap times...so I personally can't see the problem in making this suggestion.
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AJI wrote:
28 May 2018, 03:41
Nice work. I like everything you've done.
I vote GM7 to chair the 'Car Prettiness Working Group'.
I like the idea :lol:
Manoah2u wrote:
28 May 2018, 13:43
I'm sorry but i hate this.

It's disproportionate, it looks ugly and weird. Like some alternative rejected Indy proposal.
Sorry, i am very fond of GM7's 'artistic work' and his capabilities and creativity are phenomenal,
but i can't find myself liking this in the slightest.
First, thanks you very much.
100% agree, the goal was to have an idea about how a Formula 1 look like if the rear wing was as wide as the front wing, but to be honest this is quite a big change, in this topic we are looking for more "minors" changes or "realistics" changes, that's why the Aeroscreen and 18 inches wheels are in the photoshop (considering the last rumors and all the development of the windsreen in Indycar).


Basically a 2019 car :

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2019 car with the changes :

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Considering the fact that the aeroscreen from RedBull failed the crash test because of his dimensions, i changed it to match the Halo's dimensions. I kept the 2019 aero rules but i added 18 inches wheels and replaced all the cameras by much more inconspicious ones.

Still open to ideas concerning minor changes.

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CBeck113 wrote:
28 May 2018, 15:52
DiogoBrand wrote:
24 May 2018, 16:18
Just_a_fan wrote:
24 May 2018, 09:40
As for the thread otherwise, meh, another "this is what I think looks good so F1 should change to suit me" thread. There are plenty on F1Technical these days.
It's either "F1 need to change because I find the cars ugly" or "F1 needs to change because I don't find it exciting". There was even a post about F1 going back to steel brakes on Racedepartment.
Steel brakes would be quite interesting for racing (push hard with a cool-down phase would be much better that the tire performance fall-off, since brake discs can recover while tires cannot), but bad for lap times...so I personally can't see the problem in making this suggestion.
Yes it would make total sense to see the pinnacle of motorsport double its braking distances and increase the unsprung weight of the cars for no good reason. It would be really exciting to hear engineers over the radio saying "Yeah mate you can't push for a few laps because your brakes are crap".

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DiogoBrand wrote:
28 May 2018, 19:08
CBeck113 wrote:
28 May 2018, 15:52
DiogoBrand wrote:
24 May 2018, 16:18


It's either "F1 need to change because I find the cars ugly" or "F1 needs to change because I don't find it exciting". There was even a post about F1 going back to steel brakes on Racedepartment.
Steel brakes would be quite interesting for racing (push hard with a cool-down phase would be much better that the tire performance fall-off, since brake discs can recover while tires cannot), but bad for lap times...so I personally can't see the problem in making this suggestion.
Yes it would make total sense to see the pinnacle of motorsport double its braking distances and increase the unsprung weight of the cars for no good reason. It would be really exciting to hear engineers over the radio saying "Yeah mate you can't push for a few laps because your brakes are crap".
...but it's so much better to hear "no, you can't push because you need to save fuel" or "I can't follow any closer because I lose grip and ruin my tires". Pinnacle of motorsports ...
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GM7 wrote:
28 May 2018, 16:31

Still open to ideas concerning minor changes.
Can you try a full canopy please?

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How about no airbox?

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CBeck113 wrote:
28 May 2018, 22:27
DiogoBrand wrote:
28 May 2018, 19:08
CBeck113 wrote:
28 May 2018, 15:52


Steel brakes would be quite interesting for racing (push hard with a cool-down phase would be much better that the tire performance fall-off, since brake discs can recover while tires cannot), but bad for lap times...so I personally can't see the problem in making this suggestion.
Yes it would make total sense to see the pinnacle of motorsport double its braking distances and increase the unsprung weight of the cars for no good reason. It would be really exciting to hear engineers over the radio saying "Yeah mate you can't push for a few laps because your brakes are crap".
...but it's so much better to hear "no, you can't push because you need to save fuel" or "I can't follow any closer because I lose grip and ruin my tires". Pinnacle of motorsports ...
First of all, I didn't say that. Secondly, are you saying that the solution to the boredom of drivers saving fuel and tyres is to make them care for the brakes as well? Seems counterproductive.
And last: With the current tyres there's a lot less tyre saving, and fuel saving is also gonna be solved soon enough with the increased fuel load.
So forgive me for failing to understand what you're arguing for.

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Probably not minor, but I'd first and foremost would like to see an overal dimension change. Cars are almost 6m long nowadays. Here is how it compares to 13 years ago:

https://f1tcdn.net/images/news/2018/int ... s-2005.png

Fixing that would for me go a long way concerning aesthetics.

I do like the proposed changes however. Perhaps a full blown canopy would be better aesthetically and for flow to the airbox.
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Agreed, the Mercedes has a longer wheelbase than A Chevy Tahoe full size truck!

I'd love to see them all set a max wheelbase that was a bit less extreme.
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DiogoBrand wrote:
29 May 2018, 01:09
CBeck113 wrote:
28 May 2018, 22:27
DiogoBrand wrote:
28 May 2018, 19:08


Yes it would make total sense to see the pinnacle of motorsport double its braking distances and increase the unsprung weight of the cars for no good reason. It would be really exciting to hear engineers over the radio saying "Yeah mate you can't push for a few laps because your brakes are crap".
...but it's so much better to hear "no, you can't push because you need to save fuel" or "I can't follow any closer because I lose grip and ruin my tires". Pinnacle of motorsports ...
First of all, I didn't say that. Secondly, are you saying that the solution to the boredom of drivers saving fuel and tyres is to make them care for the brakes as well? Seems counterproductive.
And last: With the current tyres there's a lot less tyre saving, and fuel saving is also gonna be solved soon enough with the increased fuel load.
So forgive me for failing to understand what you're arguing for.
I did not say or even imply that you said anything, except that F1 is the pinnacle of motor sport (see bolt text above), which I demented by using common phrases from drivers, teams and fans. Those statements disqualify it from being the best, because it is solely an engineering challenge, while the racing must succumb to planning for the rest of the season (power unit & electronics). What I will say now is that the cars are too easy to drive, since they are much less physically demanding and are only driven at their limit for a handful of laps.

What I am arguing for is that the ignorance of simply casting ideas aside without putting much thought into them (braking distance and weight comparison without data, but how good could modern steel brakes actually be?), while ignoring the fact that carbon fiber brakes eliminated braking as a differentiating factor in the sport. A technology change usually brings positive competitive effects, which is why I am very much for larger,"unthinkable" changes, year over year. Couple in a change to the rim size and you have a completely new suspension design & set up, which can benefit the smaller teams.
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CBeck113 wrote:
29 May 2018, 13:53
DiogoBrand wrote:
29 May 2018, 01:09
CBeck113 wrote:
28 May 2018, 22:27


...but it's so much better to hear "no, you can't push because you need to save fuel" or "I can't follow any closer because I lose grip and ruin my tires". Pinnacle of motorsports ...
First of all, I didn't say that. Secondly, are you saying that the solution to the boredom of drivers saving fuel and tyres is to make them care for the brakes as well? Seems counterproductive.
And last: With the current tyres there's a lot less tyre saving, and fuel saving is also gonna be solved soon enough with the increased fuel load.
So forgive me for failing to understand what you're arguing for.
I did not say or even imply that you said anything, except that F1 is the pinnacle of motor sport (see bolt text above), which I demented by using common phrases from drivers, teams and fans. Those statements disqualify it from being the best, because it is solely an engineering challenge, while the racing must succumb to planning for the rest of the season (power unit & electronics). What I will say now is that the cars are too easy to drive, since they are much less physically demanding and are only driven at their limit for a handful of laps.

What I am arguing for is that the ignorance of simply casting ideas aside without putting much thought into them (braking distance and weight comparison without data, but how good could modern steel brakes actually be?), while ignoring the fact that carbon fiber brakes eliminated braking as a differentiating factor in the sport. A technology change usually brings positive competitive effects, which is why I am very much for larger,"unthinkable" changes, year over year. Couple in a change to the rim size and you have a completely new suspension design & set up, which can benefit the smaller teams.
That "F1 is not the pinnacle of motorsport" argument is old, and relative. F1 is by far the fastest, most expensive, most advanced and prestigious motorsport. The fact that you don't consider it to be the best (which is completely understandable) doesn't change this. Fuel and tyre saving happens in every motorsport, it would be stupid to expect qualifying laps every lap if that's not the fastest way to finish a race, and it possibly never will be.

A technology change usually lets the richer teams invest a whole lot of money into research, and makes the sport go even more in the way of whoever has more to spend. I don't know if you've noticed, but since they changed a certain technology for 2014 the sport hasn't been competitive at all. So if I've casted any idea aside is because I have put the thought into it, and got to the conclusion that simply changing things for no good reason and simply expecting that to somehow make the smaller teams more competitive and mix up the pecking order is not how you manage a business as big as Formula 1.

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Does anyone have a link to the RedBull RB10 nose cam footage??

I have only seen a picture of the camera footage inside their garage, please post any online footage of the camera

I tried it all over the web,but was unable to find it

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turbof1 wrote:
29 May 2018, 08:51
Probably not minor, but I'd first and foremost would like to see an overal dimension change. Cars are almost 6m long nowadays. Here is how it compares to 13 years ago:

https://f1tcdn.net/images/news/2018/int ... s-2005.png

Fixing that would for me go a long way concerning aesthetics.

I do like the proposed changes however. Perhaps a full blown canopy would be better aesthetically and for flow to the airbox.
Completely agree, I hope they will fix the wheelbase at around 3200mm for the 2021 regulations. Cars will look much better.
And I also think that it's much harder to overtake because the cars have become so long, i.e it's takes longer time to get past a longer car, plus I think it's much more difficult to place a long car on an alternate route through a corner. It's should make the cars much more nimble and twitchy.
I want to see more go-cart like racing, not limo racing

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Samraj_official wrote:
29 May 2018, 16:15
Does anyone have a link to the RedBull RB10 nose cam footage??

I have only seen a picture of the camera footage inside their garage, please post any online footage of the camera

I tried it all over the web,but was unable to find it
I'm thinking it's gonna be difficult, if not impossible to find. The view from the nose cam is rarely shown for more than a few seconds, and it was banned quite quickly.

But if a 360 degree camera can be made as small as that barely visible spot in front of the halo, they should be able to integrate a camera into the airbox just fine.
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Slightly off topic to the appearance of the cars themselves, but relating to the appearance of how the cars behave on track...

I just watched the Alesi/Senna battle from Phoenix many years ago. Haven't watch footage from that era in a while, and have grown used to the big pigs we have now in F1.

It was incredible to see how light, nervous, and alive the Tyrrell and McLaren looked back then, compared to the body language of today's cars. They were just a lot lighter and so much more "pure" back then.

I actually don't really mind the halos all that much. Your eye learns to sort of ignore them after a while. At least mine has.