Yes I do, and even if they do not and end up 5th it would be a difference of night & day compared to last year.
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More details about McLaren's technical leadership changes are becoming public as it has now become clear that Toro Rosso's highly valued technical director, James Key, is set to join McLaren in the same role.
Yes I do, and even if they do not and end up 5th it would be a difference of night & day compared to last year.
If Fernando continues with Mclaren in F1 next year, and Stoffel still isn't quite on his level yet, but shows improvement, would it makes sense if he (Stoffel) and Lando share the 2nd race seat? Mclaren won't be title contenders next year, so constructors points still add up in the race to be 4th best? It would at least put Lando in a race car, relieving some pressure off Mclaren. I still believe the future of Mclaren is Stoffel and Lando.Those graphs are brilliant. But what is it a plot of? Take the Alonso graph - is it for a single representative lap, his fastest lap, or a composite average of some kind. I would think comparing the fastest lap of each driver would be the fairest comparison.
I fear Lando wont be much better. vandoorne has a near perfect record. He dominated like no one else before him in lesser categories. I just feel that thehhe is a bit down trodden in a crappy car in a team that's focused on AlonsoGround Effect wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 11:52Crazy thought...
Whitmarsh told the Daily Mail that some time in the past 19 months, the time since Zak Brown was brought in as the new boss, “people at McLaren said they would send me a letter about the situation. I told them not to send it to me, but to Mansour.”
He’s also had his own chat with Ojjeh about McLaren’s troubles.
“I piled in a little bit,” he said. “I love the team and I am desperately sad to see what it has become.
“It needs a big change of approach. There is too much politics between the main figures. I think a number of them have to go. I have explained my view to Mansour and it is for the shareholders to decide what to do.
“The team used to be all about winning in Formula One. Now they are looking at other avenues — going to race in IndyCar and Le Mans, for example. They are great things in themselves, but McLaren going in that direction, rather than making grand prix racing their sole priority, makes me shudder.
“I live locally and I bump into friends who work at McLaren. They are disappointed with what is happening and remonstrate with me.
“Tim Goss’s departure pitched me over the edge. Tim has a fantastic intellect, and is a hard-working, non-political, value-adding member of the team. He was scapegoated. He may not have all the answers, but he would work on a solution from first principles.”
Whitmarsh says he is open to helping McLaren rediscover their lost form, they only have to ask.
“If a delegation showed up at my door, I wouldn’t turn them away,” he added. “They know where I am.”
tok-tokkie wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 12:05Those graphs are brilliant. But what is it a plot of? Take the Alonso graph - is it for a single representative lap, his fastest lap, or a composite average of some kind. I would think comparing the fastest lap of each driver would be the fairest comparison.
I don't know Josh from a hole in the wall but have you looked at what Josh is doing now ? Working with VW on road cars. Nobody else had any interest in him.
Not a surprised that Whitmarsh is sympathetic to a friend being canned. Sure it's still raw for him.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 12:27A better link to the reported staff revolt at McLaren: https://www.planetf1.com/news/mclaren-f ... ervention/
Whitmarsh told the Daily Mail that some time in the past 19 months, the time since Zak Brown was brought in as the new boss, “people at McLaren said they would send me a letter about the situation. I told them not to send it to me, but to Mansour.”
He’s also had his own chat with Ojjeh about McLaren’s troubles.
“I piled in a little bit,” he said. “I love the team and I am desperately sad to see what it has become.
“It needs a big change of approach. There is too much politics between the main figures. I think a number of them have to go. I have explained my view to Mansour and it is for the shareholders to decide what to do.
“The team used to be all about winning in Formula One. Now they are looking at other avenues — going to race in IndyCar and Le Mans, for example. They are great things in themselves, but McLaren going in that direction, rather than making grand prix racing their sole priority, makes me shudder.
“I live locally and I bump into friends who work at McLaren. They are disappointed with what is happening and remonstrate with me.
“Tim Goss’s departure pitched me over the edge. Tim has a fantastic intellect, and is a hard-working, non-political, value-adding member of the team. He was scapegoated. He may not have all the answers, but he would work on a solution from first principles.”
Whitmarsh says he is open to helping McLaren rediscover their lost form, they only have to ask.
“If a delegation showed up at my door, I wouldn’t turn them away,” he added. “They know where I am.”
McLaren should have bought/made a deal with a team before they got involved in Honda. They needed more PUs on the track back then and they need a proving ground for their drivers. Look at all the drivers RBR pulls through STR and how few of them progress up to RBR. Lando would be ready to jump in, not need another year at running at all the tracks to get up to speed. Also the comparison between Stoffel and Lando would be easy.PlatinumZealot wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 12:24I fear Lando wont be much better. vandoorne has a near perfect record. He dominated like no one else before him in lesser categories. I just feel that thehhe is a bit down trodden in a crappy car in a team that's focused on AlonsoGround Effect wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 11:52Crazy thought...
It is beyond me that Tim Goss was let go and that Matt Morris is still there. Zak Brown is clearly catering to Alonso and Alonso clearly thinks he can just hop skip to another category and get the best ride possible. Not sure what Toyota was given as part of the deal to mooch a 24hr Lemans win but as soon as his embarrassing retirement from Indy 500 last year the tone had changed and his sights were set to denigrate Honda and join Toyota to fulfill his triple crown. Him and Zak probably are trying to bed Chevy now for next year's Indy 500 and I wouldn't be surprised if Alonso suddenly quit WEC now that his short term goal has been achieved. Alonso will probably start to perform better in F1 now that he can focus back on F1 until the next Indy season.diffuser wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 15:57
Not a surprised that Whitmarsh is sympathetic to a friend being canned. Sure it's still raw for him.
I'm also not sure what to make of them being unhappy from EB telling them they didn't understand why they were slow. Have they been BS'd for so long in the past that they're expecting it and not honesty?
What a load of old rubbish. The only embarrassing thing about the Indy venture was Honda's reliability and he's been driving brilliantly for McLaren since he came back so not sure how he can perform any better, he's single-handedly saving McLaren's season and keeping them in the fight for 4th. And now he's deciding who keeps their job or not?ispano6 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 16:27It is beyond me that Tim Goss was let go and that Matt Morris is still there. Zak Brown is clearly catering to Alonso and Alonso clearly thinks he can just hop skip to another category and get the best ride possible. Not sure what Toyota was given as part of the deal to mooch a 24hr Lemans win but as soon as his embarrassing retirement from Indy 500 last year the tone had changed and his sights were set to denigrate Honda and join Toyota to fulfill his triple crown. Him and Zak probably are trying to bed Chevy now for next year's Indy 500 and I wouldn't be surprised if Alonso suddenly quit WEC now that his short term goal has been achieved. Alonso will probably start to perform better in F1 now that he can focus back on F1 until the next Indy season.diffuser wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 15:57
Not a surprised that Whitmarsh is sympathetic to a friend being canned. Sure it's still raw for him.
I'm also not sure what to make of them being unhappy from EB telling them they didn't understand why they were slow. Have they been BS'd for so long in the past that they're expecting it and not honesty?
ispano6 wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 16:27It is beyond me that Tim Goss was let go and that Matt Morris is still there. Zak Brown is clearly catering to Alonso and Alonso clearly thinks he can just hop skip to another category and get the best ride possible. Not sure what Toyota was given as part of the deal to mooch a 24hr Lemans win but as soon as his embarrassing retirement from Indy 500 last year the tone had changed and his sights were set to denigrate Honda and join Toyota to fulfill his triple crown. Him and Zak probably are trying to bed Chevy now for next year's Indy 500 and I wouldn't be surprised if Alonso suddenly quit WEC now that his short term goal has been achieved. Alonso will probably start to perform better in F1 now that he can focus back on F1 until the next Indy season.diffuser wrote: ↑18 Jun 2018, 15:57
Not a surprised that Whitmarsh is sympathetic to a friend being canned. Sure it's still raw for him.
I'm also not sure what to make of them being unhappy from EB telling them they didn't understand why they were slow. Have they been BS'd for so long in the past that they're expecting it and not honesty?
