Red Bull Racing have announced an agreement with Honda Motor Co Ltd to race with the Japanese manufacturer’s power units for the 2019 and 2020 Formula 1 seasons. The team therefore joins sister team Toro Rosso after their switch to Honda ahead of the 2018 season.
User has -12 rep. Just add them to your ignore list and move on.Wouter wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 15:32You also said this exactly in the General Honda topic. Why?saviour stivala wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 14:48What actually happened with red bull/Renault will happen again, only the engine supplier name will change "when red bull wins red bull great. when red bull lose Honda s**t".
Do you have something against RBR?
It won't change that much to be honest, the new aero regs aren't a huge change. There will be slightly less front wing downforce, but the bargeboards will be just as strong next year, and a year of development means gains here can balance out anything lost from the front wing. The cascade elements are maybe worth a few tenths, but the wider span may make it a wash considering any development on the inboard side of the wing.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑17 Jun 2018, 21:53It's unrelated to engine as well. Next year, rules will require severely redesigned aero on new cars. Aero takes time to develop and teams stuck in 2018 C'ship battle will most likely suffer in early 2019(it happened in 2008-2009 transition and it happened in 2013-2014 transition, as most recent examples). Red Bull ain't gonna be there this year, so they will send all their resources to 2019 project sooner than Ferrari and Mercedes.
Hahah, if that's the case Redbull might hit Jackpot. Honda going on all in to develop engines for last 2-years, contend maybe next year but definitely 2020, while Redbull goes over to an other engine past 2021, maybe even from a totally new supplier.
He's a smart guy that builds good cars, so he probably gets offers every year. It's not news- or discussion-worthy until he accepts one.Ground Effect wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 16:02What's this talk/rumour about Adrian Newey moving to Renault works team??? Surely that can't be true, silly season in full swing??
Visually, it doesn't look like much, but these are very big changes.godlameroso wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 15:45It won't change that much to be honest, the new aero regs aren't a huge change. There will be slightly less front wing downforce, but the bargeboards will be just as strong next year, and a year of development means gains here can balance out anything lost from the front wing. The cascade elements are maybe worth a few tenths, but the wider span may make it a wash considering any development on the inboard side of the wing.
The biggest deficit in lap time will come from the bigger rear wing, also without the slots on the end plates drag will invariably increase.
They're big in the sense that it's going to take some tweaking of the current car, but I don't think it'll make the cars 1.5 seconds slower.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 17:49Visually, it doesn't look like much, but these are very big changes.godlameroso wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 15:45It won't change that much to be honest, the new aero regs aren't a huge change. There will be slightly less front wing downforce, but the bargeboards will be just as strong next year, and a year of development means gains here can balance out anything lost from the front wing. The cascade elements are maybe worth a few tenths, but the wider span may make it a wash considering any development on the inboard side of the wing.
The biggest deficit in lap time will come from the bigger rear wing, also without the slots on the end plates drag will invariably increase.
What can they offer? A nice office in Enstone and a hand in developing the next Clio V6?Ground Effect wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 16:02What's this talk/rumour about Adrian Newey moving to Renault works team??? Surely that can't be true, silly season in full swing??
Oh they will, count on it.godlameroso wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 18:13They're big in the sense that it's going to take some tweaking of the current car, but I don't think it'll make the cars 1.5 seconds slower.
It's crazy to think this way since wings are getting bigger, but diffuser and floor won't be working as hard, so everything will go down a bit with them. I don't think 1.5 seconds though, more likely .5 seconds slower, I just have a feeling that those darn bargeboards have some more performance to exploit.Vanja #66 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 20:25Oh they will, count on it.godlameroso wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 18:13They're big in the sense that it's going to take some tweaking of the current car, but I don't think it'll make the cars 1.5 seconds slower.
They will be getting shorter, you know that?godlameroso wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 20:30I don't think 1.5 seconds though, more likely .5 seconds slower, I just have a feeling that those darn bargeboards have some more performance to exploit.
Yes along the side of the cockpit, but the area that has all the performance is left untouched. You know which part I'm talking aboutVanja #66 wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 20:32They will be getting shorter, you know that?godlameroso wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 20:30I don't think 1.5 seconds though, more likely .5 seconds slower, I just have a feeling that those darn bargeboards have some more performance to exploit.
It depends on what Newey wants. His son is racing now and a father and son LeMans win would be nice.NL_Fer wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 19:55What can they offer? A nice office in Enstone and a hand in developing the next Clio V6?Ground Effect wrote: ↑19 Jun 2018, 16:02What's this talk/rumour about Adrian Newey moving to Renault works team??? Surely that can't be true, silly season in full swing??
