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Red Bull Racing have announced an agreement with Honda Motor Co Ltd to race with the Japanese manufacturer’s power units for the 2019 and 2020 Formula 1 seasons. The team therefore joins sister team Toro Rosso after their switch to Honda ahead of the 2018 season.
Ouch! Here's hoping he doesn't have the same feelings towards Honda in one year.
They didn't really give credit back in the winning years. That's what rankles with some. Proper partners "win together, lose together". With RedBull, it's "we win, they lose".
That isn't true Vettel and Webber thanked Renault on the podium frequently iirc.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 21:02They didn't really give credit back in the winning years. That's what rankles with some. Proper partners "win together, lose together". With RedBull, it's "we win, they lose".
Yeah, but I don't remember Horner and the others on the wall giving Renault their dues.djos wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 23:13That isn't true Vettel and Webber thanked Renault on the podium frequently iirc.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 21:02They didn't really give credit back in the winning years. That's what rankles with some. Proper partners "win together, lose together". With RedBull, it's "we win, they lose".
That is kinda looking at the last several years with rose tinted glasses. RBR did everything they could to get Ferrari or Mercedes engines, but they didn't want them. They all the time complain that they could have won, but with their engine that was all they can do. And Renault has their works program. Of course they don't ask their customers what they would like to have. RBR doesn't even the fuel the Renault engine is developed with.GhostF1 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 23:25To be frank.. when the Honda deal was announced, it was RedBull in both their statement and Horner in the press conference thanking Renault, at length, for giving them their championships in the previous eras and for their wins in this formula and for dealing with how demanding they were.
Renault on the other hand... I thought they were unprofessional. The statement released by the company was nothing more than cold and written just as a basic response. "We acknowledge the announcment of Red Bull and Honda".. that was actually it.. and then you've got old mate Abiteboul saying "we'll make you rue the day you left us". There has been zero professional courtesy from their side. I haven't seen one wish of good luck in the future, of which Horner gave Renault many.
So honestly. It's bitter both sides but surprisingly, I'd say it was Red Bull being the most platonic about their relationship. Toro Rosso was similar, claiming there was zero collaboration/working ethic between them and Renault where with Honda it comes in spades.. maybe that says something about Renault..
Yeah I don't either. I do recall that Renault had been silly enough to honour the engine freeze and as a result where down on power compared to the Merc - RedBull was mainly winning due to being vastly superior in chassis and aero.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 23:16Yeah, but I don't remember Horner and the others on the wall giving Renault their dues.djos wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 23:13That isn't true Vettel and Webber thanked Renault on the podium frequently iirc.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 21:02
They didn't really give credit back in the winning years. That's what rankles with some. Proper partners "win together, lose together". With RedBull, it's "we win, they lose".
I'm not discounting that RBR have a role in this. They have been demanding and fair enough to be honest. They wanted a front row engine, the whole field does... McLaren was knocking on Merc's door too, there was even speculation of a crazy Ferrari collaboration.. they went with Renault as a last resort.rscsr wrote: ↑26 Jun 2018, 00:01That is kinda looking at the last several years with rose tinted glasses. RBR did everything they could to get Ferrari or Mercedes engines, but they didn't want them. They all the time complain that they could have won, but with their engine that was all they can do. And Renault has their works program. Of course they don't ask their customers what they would like to have. RBR doesn't even the fuel the Renault engine is developed with.GhostF1 wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 23:25To be frank.. when the Honda deal was announced, it was RedBull in both their statement and Horner in the press conference thanking Renault, at length, for giving them their championships in the previous eras and for their wins in this formula and for dealing with how demanding they were.
Renault on the other hand... I thought they were unprofessional. The statement released by the company was nothing more than cold and written just as a basic response. "We acknowledge the announcment of Red Bull and Honda".. that was actually it.. and then you've got old mate Abiteboul saying "we'll make you rue the day you left us". There has been zero professional courtesy from their side. I haven't seen one wish of good luck in the future, of which Horner gave Renault many.
So honestly. It's bitter both sides but surprisingly, I'd say it was Red Bull being the most platonic about their relationship. Toro Rosso was similar, claiming there was zero collaboration/working ethic between them and Renault where with Honda it comes in spades.. maybe that says something about Renault..
I never heard once in the V8 era when the RB5, RB6, RB7, RB8 and RB9 were winning races and championships them complaign about the V8 Renault provided. Most of the issues in those days seemed to concentrate on how Ferrari and Mercedes seemed to gain power year over year courtesy of "reliability updates" during a period where the engines were supposed to be frozen. The only real issue in those days was a flimsy alternator.Just_a_fan wrote: ↑25 Jun 2018, 21:02They didn't really give credit back in the winning years. That's what rankles with some. Proper partners "win together, lose together". With RedBull, it's "we win, they lose".
