2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

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skwdenyer wrote:
03 Jul 2018, 21:08
Re aero correlation issues, this nonsense FIA rule requiring the use of small-scale wind tunnels is costing money rather than saving it.

Wind tunnels don’t scale, because the air doesn’t scale when the model does. So one must perform complex calculations to compare the two. You can’t just scale up the working part from the tunnel and expect it to work on the car.

Reynolds number is the historical basis of those calculations.

When aero goes awry, suddenly the team must knock up full-size parts, air freight them, test then on track, etc.

A return to full-size tunnels, coupled with modern rapid prototyping techniques (3D printing, CNC machining, etc) would likely result in an actual cost reduction.

It would also allow teams to catch up in season more quickly, with real benefits to the sporting contest.

All IMHO of course :)
the general lack of testing across the board has screwed F1 since it first started. from the 2014 PU regulations, where it has taken 4 years for anyone to catch mercedes on engine developement, much less EVERYONE. but they continue to shoot themselves. bring back in season testing and give everyone a salary cap if that whats needed. if it takes ferrari and mercedes spending triple what smaller teams spend to win, then that isnt really winning is it? and what other sport penalizes the players when the bus breaks down too many times. every cost saving measure that f1 puts in, ends up costing teams more, or helps to ruin the show.

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zoroastar wrote:
04 Jul 2018, 03:37
skwdenyer wrote:
03 Jul 2018, 21:08
Re aero correlation issues, this nonsense FIA rule requiring the use of small-scale wind tunnels is costing money rather than saving it.

Wind tunnels don’t scale, because the air doesn’t scale when the model does. So one must perform complex calculations to compare the two. You can’t just scale up the working part from the tunnel and expect it to work on the car.

Reynolds number is the historical basis of those calculations.

When aero goes awry, suddenly the team must knock up full-size parts, air freight them, test then on track, etc.

A return to full-size tunnels, coupled with modern rapid prototyping techniques (3D printing, CNC machining, etc) would likely result in an actual cost reduction.

It would also allow teams to catch up in season more quickly, with real benefits to the sporting contest.

All IMHO of course :)
the general lack of testing across the board has screwed F1 since it first started. from the 2014 PU regulations, where it has taken 4 years for anyone to catch mercedes on engine developement, much less EVERYONE. but they continue to shoot themselves. bring back in season testing and give everyone a salary cap if that whats needed. if it takes ferrari and mercedes spending triple what smaller teams spend to win, then that isnt really winning is it? and what other sport penalizes the players when the bus breaks down too many times. every cost saving measure that f1 puts in, ends up costing teams more, or helps to ruin the show.
Agreed.

How high were the costs of in season testing anyway? At least compared to what teams like Mclaren are spending trying to catch up or are losing in terms of prize money and sponsorship compared to where they should realistically be in the WCC?

Re PU costs, I have said it many times, cap the costs to the customer teams and allow more PU per season. If Merc, Ferrari, Renault and Honda want to spend however much or development, fair play to them, but it would keep the costs to teams down.
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adrianjordan wrote:
04 Jul 2018, 07:54
zoroastar wrote:
04 Jul 2018, 03:37
skwdenyer wrote:
03 Jul 2018, 21:08
Re aero correlation issues, this nonsense FIA rule requiring the use of small-scale wind tunnels is costing money rather than saving it.

Wind tunnels don’t scale, because the air doesn’t scale when the model does. So one must perform complex calculations to compare the two. You can’t just scale up the working part from the tunnel and expect it to work on the car.

Reynolds number is the historical basis of those calculations.

When aero goes awry, suddenly the team must knock up full-size parts, air freight them, test then on track, etc.

A return to full-size tunnels, coupled with modern rapid prototyping techniques (3D printing, CNC machining, etc) would likely result in an actual cost reduction.

It would also allow teams to catch up in season more quickly, with real benefits to the sporting contest.

All IMHO of course :)
the general lack of testing across the board has screwed F1 since it first started. from the 2014 PU regulations, where it has taken 4 years for anyone to catch mercedes on engine developement, much less EVERYONE. but they continue to shoot themselves. bring back in season testing and give everyone a salary cap if that whats needed. if it takes ferrari and mercedes spending triple what smaller teams spend to win, then that isnt really winning is it? and what other sport penalizes the players when the bus breaks down too many times. every cost saving measure that f1 puts in, ends up costing teams more, or helps to ruin the show.
Agreed.

How high were the costs of in season testing anyway? At least compared to what teams like Mclaren are spending trying to catch up or are losing in terms of prize money and sponsorship compared to where they should realistically be in the WCC?

Re PU costs, I have said it many times, cap the costs to the customer teams and allow more PU per season. If Merc, Ferrari, Renault and Honda want to spend however much or development, fair play to them, but it would keep the costs to teams down.
But from recent discussions, teams seem to want even less testing. The budget cap would definitely level the playing field. When all considered, the PU's are probably the cheapest part of the sport, relatively speaking.
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https://twitter.com/McLarenF1/status/10 ... 7757384704
McLaren Racing Chief Executive Zak Brown yesterday accepted Eric Boullier’s resignation from his position as Racing Director. He also announced a simplified technical leadership team.

Simon Roberts, COO of McLaren Racing, will oversee production, engineering and logistics. Andrea Stella is appointed Performance Director, responsible for trackside operations. Gil de Ferran takes up the new role of Sporting Director, to maximise the effectiveness of the team’s racing package.
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Half the users on this forum got their wish!!

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People asked for his head, here it is, Boullier is out.
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They wanted blood, they got blood. I'm sure some people expect the car to go faster in Silverstone now.
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I did (mentally) check the date to make sure it's not April 1st..

I didn't know Andrea Stella went to mclaren
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GrayGreat wrote:
04 Jul 2018, 11:10
Half the users on this forum got their wish!!
Some days, it felt like a lot more than half, specifically on Saturdays, after qualifying.
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Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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Alonso Fan wrote:
04 Jul 2018, 11:28
I did (mentally) check the date to make sure it's not April 1st..

I didn't know Andrea Stella went to mclaren
Really? He followed Fernando... But was never his race engineer. His been moving up the Mclaren ladder.
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Kimi Raikkonen: I can only drive one car, obviously. 
@2018 Singapore Grand Prix drivers press conference.

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The thing is, we don't know if he was fired (forced to resign) or resigned willingly. We might know about it if he goes to another team e.g. Eric had an offer from some other team and then resigned. Until then, if he was fired (forced to resign), then it means McLaren thinks that he was responsible somehow for bad performance. Zak mentioned that the cause of bad performance is Systemic. What are your thoughts?

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Every dog has his day. Something is bound to stick. :lol:

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After reading Zack words, it is clear was forced to resign. I think it really shows the deep crisis in the team because it was time for action/reaction and no resing as it will delay even more the solutions.