Team McLaren doesn't know the rules!

[kekekeke]

I guess there's no point arguing this--we're just going to have to agree to disagree about the arrogance, but the mistakes and the swinging from wires and the partying with celebs are all cold hard fact.

So making a mistake, doing some promo stuff and partying with celebs makes one arrogant but saying that the team that has worked so hard is in reality not putting 100% effort behind him is not arrogant? It's an insult to the team.

For example Kubica was whining about the frong wing

""Unfortunately when we did tests in Barcelona, I saw some things but we decided to do something different because the team was convinced it was the right way to go""

[guy_smiley]

I never said Hamilton was arrogant--go back and check if you want.

My point was that it seems Kubica is more focused on F1 than Hamilton is.

And I'll say it again--you and I just have to agree to disagree.

[donskar]

Both Kubica and Hamilton "suffer" from the same malady - too much success, too soon. They have too much sail and not enough keel or rudder.

Both are very immature, and I do not mean that as a criticism. Both are simply young, inexperienced, and somewhat naive. And I believe neither has had an effective mentor - a sage greybeard who has been there, done that, and has the trophies - and the scars - to prove it. (M Schu would be an example of this person. His tactics and ethics WERE often questionable, but his competitive drive, vision, dedication, and TEAM spirit never faltered).

I trust Kimi and Alonso will administer some hard lessons to both of the enfant terribles in the coming months and seasons.