Fine lines, what makes a team a constructor?

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Fine lines, what makes a team a constructor?

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Does a team have to design, and build 100% of the parts for their car to be considered a constructor? 80%?

After reading an interview with Torro Rosso personnel on Formula1.com, I was wondering where the line actually lies.

I mean, if a team were to purchase just the monocoque from RBR, and do all of their own suspension and bodywork design and construction, does that make them a constructor? Or is the monocoque construction itself what defines a constructor?

What defines a constructor by F1 standards?

Any and all info is appreciated as always...

Chris

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I don't know the official amount the FIA requires but it is most definetely a fine line. What I recommend is that F1 follows Touring car series around the world and offers 3 championships instead of two: Drivers, constructors and Privateer teams. That way, a that has bought a chassis may compete for the drivers championship, but not the constructors (which should be obvious).

I dunno how much the FIA would go for it, but it would definetely get more teams on the grid (you may see GP2 teams such as Super Nova and ART coming up).
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Scotracer wrote:I don't know the official amount the FIA requires but it is most definetely a fine line. What I recommend is that F1 follows Touring car series around the world and offers 3 championships instead of two: Drivers, constructors and Privateer teams. That way, a that has bought a chassis may compete for the drivers championship, but not the constructors (which should be obvious).

I dunno how much the FIA would go for it, but it would definetely get more teams on the grid (you may see GP2 teams such as Super Nova and ART coming up).
The issue with being a constructor is not an FIA requirement. It did not exist prior to the Concord Agreement in 1981. The FIA rules prior to 2008 used to require all competitors to be signatories to the concord agreement. By this trap door additional requirements like the constructor requirement of the schedule 3 of the Concord Agreement were inserted into the regulations.

Schedule 3 of CA
A constructor is "a person (including any corporate or unincorporated body) who owns the intellectual property rights to the rolling chassis it currently races and does not incorporate in such chassis any part designed or manufactured by any other constructor of Formula 1 racing cars except for standard items of safety equipment. Provided always that nothing in this Schedule shall prevent the use of an engine or gear box manufactured by a person other than the constructor of the chassis."
This is usually interpretated that no chassis and body work propriatory to a team can be sold to another team. SA and STR evaded this by buying the relevant parts from a designer that was not a competitor in F1 but a separate company.

The constructor principle is part of a scheme to give control over participation in the F1 championship to the CRH and the teams. It requires a concord agreement to have meaning. It is believed that at present Ferrari, Williams, Red Bull and Force India have such an agreement with the FIA and the CRH to the year 2012. On that basis Williams have threatened to sue Prodrive and where applicable the CRH and the FIA if they relax the requirements of constructors. Under this threat the teams and the CRH have agreed on the compromise that one constructor cannot supply two competitors. This agreement isn't public and one can only speculate in what form it is written. perhaps it is in the memorandum of understanding that was signed between all teams and Bernie. It appears that all parties are prepared to respect it. This is why STR cannot be supplied with a Red Bull chassis from next year on. So STR have to start designing their chassis either in house or outsourced from next year.

So the short answer to the question is: If you have the intellectual property right to a chassis that you exclusively race yourself you are a constructor.
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The FIAs standpoint = cognitive dissonance. It's ridiculous that they want to reduce the amount of money it takes to stay in F1 yet they ban privateer entries? It would help all parties if teams could sell their IPs to another team.

Look at MotoGP - the sport is thriving because they have privateer teams running customer chassis' and engines. Same with Touring cars. WHY can't F1 be the same? Why not allow a team to purchase the previous years' car of a team? Wouldn't it be awesome to see a team running an F2007 this year with different branding and driving their hearts out to get a shock result? I would love that.
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Scotracer wrote:The FIAs standpoint = cognitive dissonance. It's ridiculous that they want to reduce the amount of money it takes to stay in F1 yet they ban privateer entries? It would help all parties if teams could sell their IPs to another team.

Look at MotoGP - the sport is thriving because they have privateer teams running customer chassis' and engines. Same with Touring cars. WHY can't F1 be the same? Why not allow a team to purchase the previous years' car of a team? Wouldn't it be awesome to see a team running an F2007 this year with different branding and driving their hearts out to get a shock result? I would love that.
With new front and rear wings, and slicks?

I think that would be killer if a team like FIF1 or even STR could buy them.

Berger would be a privateer then, especially if Ferrari were to buy the other 50%.

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Scotracer wrote:The FIAs standpoint = cognitive dissonance. It's ridiculous that they want to reduce the amount of money it takes to stay in F1 yet they ban privateer entries? It would help all parties if teams could sell their IPs to another team. ...
It is a popular misconception that the FIA can set rules as she sees fit. It certainly isn't the case with customer cars. They have done all they can to open F1 to customer cars. It has been Williams challenge of law suit based on the concord agreement which has stopped the whole issue much against the declared policy of the FIA.

On the other hand there are serious concerns about a custromer car scheme that would have to be addressed before things would perhaps change. The top teams could abuse their customer teams for obstructive tactiques if eventually there are only five competing teams with satellite teams on the grid.

So now we will have none of it for some time and have to see how they will get on with the budget caps.
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