McLaren MCL33

[Zynerji]

if its lighter then better, anyone knows or an ideia of how much lighter it is?

Is it relevant?
If possible the car would run at the minimum limit. It would just be a matter of swapping ballast for benefit

I would expect a CoG gain from weight saving up high on the engine to be a huge boost. I believe the largest contributor to mechanical handling, in a pure sense, comes from the mass centroid axis.

[Big Tea]

if its lighter then better, anyone knows or an ideia of how much lighter it is?

Is it relevant?
If possible the car would run at the minimum limit. It would just be a matter of swapping ballast for benefit

I would expect a CoG gain from weight saving up high on the engine to be a huge boost. I believe the largest contributor to mechanical handling, in a pure sense, comes from the mass centroid axis.

Ballast is in the center section of the front wing. 50mm off the track?

[Zynerji]

Is it relevant?
If possible the car would run at the minimum limit. It would just be a matter of swapping ballast for benefit

I would expect a CoG gain from weight saving up high on the engine to be a huge boost. I believe the largest contributor to mechanical handling, in a pure sense, comes from the mass centroid axis.

Ballast is in the center section of the front wing. 50mm off the track?

I believe ballast is used all along the centerline of the car, front to back, to specifically tune the MCA.

[Big Tea]

I would expect a CoG gain from weight saving up high on the engine to be a huge boost. I believe the largest contributor to mechanical handling, in a pure sense, comes from the mass centroid axis.

Ballast is in the center section of the front wing. 50mm off the track?

I believe ballast is used all along the centerline of the car, front to back, to specifically tune the MCA.

I will defer to you.

[Zynerji]

Ballast is in the center section of the front wing. 50mm off the track?

I believe ballast is used all along the centerline of the car, front to back, to specifically tune the MCA.

I will defer to you.

Please do not!

Better to get one of the brilliant suspension members comments. I just read some books a few years ago (Carroll Smith), so the guys that do it every day in the modern racing scene would be who "I" would defer to.

[Big Tea]

I believe ballast is used all along the centerline of the car, front to back, to specifically tune the MCA.

I will defer to you.

Please do not!

Better to get one of the brilliant suspension members comments. I just read some books a few years ago (Carroll Smith), so the guys that do it every day in the modern racing scene would be who "I" would defer to.

Not intended as flippant, I really do.
I am from the day when flour bags of sand were thrown in there corners and an adjustment was wet sand or dry

[Zynerji]

I believe you! But many times, rules of thumb are broken in the ever changing compromise of these cars.

DaveW would probably be the resident expert to give us the final word on this.

[PhillipM]

if its lighter then better, anyone knows or an ideia of how much lighter it is?

Couple of kilo's. I think the previous reports were 7kg vs 12kg. But that's just press chatter, haven't heard anything concrete.
I don't see it as much of a ballast advantage, as the K is mounted down low anyway. More relevant is how much of that is reduced rotating weight.

[BrunoH]

yeah i dont belive it to be more than 1 kilo or 2 max... was just wondering if anyone knew or if any official data on the weight.

it makes a lot of difference.. if you ever raced before you know that minimum weight is one thing, and the ability to move ballast under the minimum weight is a big advantage... ( for example Massa always had more Ballast to play with than other drivers and had a ´´weight advantage´´ )

[M840TR]

New MGU-K around 2-3kg lighter. It attaches to one side of the engine too so weight distribution and balance improve a lot.

[trinidefender]

Can anyone tell me if the new tunnel-less front wing was used in the race by either driver?

[DFX]

They only tested new elements but those were not raceble. So no new updates in the last 3 races I guess.

[PhillipM]

it makes a lot of difference.. if you ever raced before you know that minimum weight is one thing, and the ability to move ballast under the minimum weight is a big advantage... ( for example Massa always had more Ballast to play with than other drivers and had a ´´weight advantage´´ )

The MCL33 is under the weight limit by a chunk anyway, and the MGU-K is mounted right above the floor already, and this formula is restricted for weight distribution, so I don't think the ballast advantage is all that much of a difference unless like the Renault car you were struggling to hit the minumum weight.

[roon]

Can anyone tell me if the new tunnel-less front wing was used in the race by either driver?

Seems not.

[diffuser]

Can anyone tell me if the new tunnel-less front wing was used in the race by either driver?

Some people were suggesting that some of those might not be real wings ever. More to find out where airflow is going more than anything. I forget where I read it but it was suggested they did something similar in 2016.


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