If that's the case, then why aren't Honda and Renault using a more powerfull generative MGUH mode in your opinion? Basically, do you really think that one can seperate ICE and ERS performance with these power units? Arguably only the performance of the sum of all systems is relevant and worth comparing.
I think combustion is the biggest differentiator. This was said by the engine makers already. With better combustion you can use more ERS. Pretty straight forward.
True. Dealing with journo’s is difficult, it takes experience and self control to get away without giving them more information than you should, it is their job to get some juicy bits after all. I can imagine the temptation for him to show that he is involved in the bigger picture. To elaborate on the development work with Honda, upgrade packages, team strategy etc.godlameroso wrote: ↑14 Jul 2018, 19:34Gasly is young, he'll say young things from time to time. He delivers on track, and the Honda engine will keep developing through the year, I'm eager to see the next step, and I'm sure they still haven't managed to get the most from the current version.
Brendon Hartley has now moved backwards on the grid three times in a row because the engineers had new drive components installed. The New Zealander is already the sixth combustion engine after 10 races.
Red Bull wants to give the engine partner of 2019 the opportunity to test new parts on the track in a timely manner. "Of course we leave the decision to Honda," said team consultant Helmut Marko. "But if they find a tenth with the development, of course, they can try the expansion stage right in the race. Even if that means we're taking penalties for it."
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/
"It puts Red Bull in a position where both of its teams share the same power unit with the full focus of an OEM [original equipment manufacturer]," he told RaceFans. "With the resource and facilities and investment Honda have made and the progress they have made - particularly in the last six months - for a straightforward decision."
"The agreements that we have with Honda are very much focused on performance and the decision behind the change was driven by engineering reasons opposed to fiscal gain."
“Honda have the strength and depth of resource, the desire and of course we will be their exclusive focus and attention.”
Red Bull co-owner Dietrich Mateschitz is fully behind the deal. “He believes in the Honda programme. He is optimistic about the potential. He sees the benefit to the team of having the full focus of a powerful manufacturer behind it which is the first time in our history.”
This is where Red Bull stands to gain. “It provides us the opportunity to work very closely with an engine partner and be able to have an input at an early stage into the integration between the chassis and power unit rather than accommodating what is effectively defined by another team,” confirms Horner.
Toro Rosso also stands to benefit as it knows well in advance of next season it will use the same engine brand and specification as its elder sibling. This will allow the two to collaborate more closely: they will have “as much synergy as possible” according to Horner.
“Toro Rosso will use a complete Red Bull Technology rear end next year,” he confirms. “Having a common power supplier only makes that easier.”
https://www.racefans.net/2018/07/16/why ... erview-f1/
Something tells me that the way things panned out, Gasly and Hartley were placed on a different strategy.HPD wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 13:52Apparently it is true.
Brendon Hartley has now moved backwards on the grid three times in a row because the engineers had new drive components installed. The New Zealander is already the sixth combustion engine after 10 races.
Red Bull wants to give the engine partner of 2019 the opportunity to test new parts on the track in a timely manner. "Of course we leave the decision to Honda," said team consultant Helmut Marko. "But if they find a tenth with the development, of course, they can try the expansion stage right in the race. Even if that means we're taking penalties for it."
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/
Revs84 wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 14:14Something tells me that the way things panned out, Gasly and Hartley were placed on a different strategy.HPD wrote: ↑16 Jul 2018, 13:52Apparently it is true.
Brendon Hartley has now moved backwards on the grid three times in a row because the engineers had new drive components installed. The New Zealander is already the sixth combustion engine after 10 races.
Red Bull wants to give the engine partner of 2019 the opportunity to test new parts on the track in a timely manner. "Of course we leave the decision to Honda," said team consultant Helmut Marko. "But if they find a tenth with the development, of course, they can try the expansion stage right in the race. Even if that means we're taking penalties for it."
https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/for ... -red-bull/
Gasly being the main 'points-earner' will stay on the original strategy of 3 PU updates i.e. 3 specs - unless of course he has a failure and needs a new PU, in which case he'll get the latest updates. This will allow TR and Gasly the possibility to gain points and Honda to test for reliability.
On the other hand, Hartley being generally slower, will be their sacrificial lamb for new specs and will get them right away to prove their effectiveness for Gasly and of course next year.
Which maybe could also explain why Hartley was asked to let Gasly through in Austria, even though the former was faster. Toro Rosso reason for that was that they were on a different strategy.
This is all speculation from my side, but might actually hold some water.
Mercedes and Ferrari ICE can produces much more exhaust gasses and more blow down energy. As result more energy can be harvested bij the MGU-H.
Nopes. Not yet. What does McLaren have to do with Honda anymore? Stop sounding like a bitter ex.techman wrote: ↑15 Jul 2018, 01:17"The chassis is good but with the engine we have we lose too much time"
This is the third or fourth article in the last few weeks where Gasly talks about huge engine deficit. Mclaren waited for third year before venting but fireworks seem to have started already with Toro Rosso.
Honda have improved both in terms of reliability and performance but the road ahead isn't going to be rosy especially in light of a moving target and a huge gap.
honda is a match to renault , TR has a history of starting well and falling back, together with rookie drivers i doesnt helps them. wait till next season , when honda have a benchmark chassis and experience drivers. look at mclaren , and vandorne. he is not in his rookie season and still struggles, with their overated chassis design by incompetent mclaren engineers. only driver is giving them all the points
The honda is equal to renault and better smaller package to renault overall. and yes TR is a small team , with new rookies, its not easy. put it some experience drivers and better aero then compare. and YES everything i said about Mclaren has come to be true this season. A bunch on incompetent engineeers. Overated to the MAX. The difference they cant hide anymore this year, with Honda out. Thank you Mclaren for signing with Renault.Nopes. Not yet. What does McLaren have to do with Honda anymore? Stop sounding like a bitter ex.
They did. Tanabe said the PU is slightly bigger and heavier this year. What's interesting is that Key, Marko and Newey have all said: "the Honda is technically very interesting, it's smaller and lighter than what we currently have".godlameroso wrote: ↑18 Jul 2018, 14:46I could have sworn Honda made this year's power unit slightly heavier and more robust than last year. Maybe they go back to the lighter design towards the end of the year, or next year's design when they get a better grasp of where they can and can't push things.
