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donskar wrote:
IMHO he (Hamilton) is the only driver out there who might be able to challenge some of M Schu's records and - as someone else pointed out - he will be the victim of love-hate, even as Schu was.
The main reason why he's able to challenge Schumi's records is because he's been prepaired for F1 in a unique way, started as a rookie in a top car and will stay there for the rest of his career.
He's a great talent, but definately not the only one who would win a couple of WDC's with equal opportunities.
HAmilton is a test-tube driver.
Get used to it, because it is here and NOT going away.
Will anyone be surprised when it is 15 year olds driving these cars?
Chris
If they get any slower, you might just see that. Problem is we're getting to the point where the possible fitness of the drivers is coming in to it so for them to get younger we'd need some seriously fit kids.
Get used to it, because it is here and NOT going away.
Will anyone be surprised when it is 15 year olds driving these cars?
Chris
If they get any slower, you might just see that. Problem is we're getting to the point where the possible fitness of the drivers is coming in to it so for them to get younger we'd need some seriously fit kids.
From the caption competition:
Belatti wrote:*Martin Whitmarsh showing Coulthard, Newey, Horner and Brundle the McLaren Technologies Centre*
"And here you can see the new generation of F1 drivers, practicing in the simulator we stole from Ferrari. This is the kid that will replace Lewis in 2018"
Get used to it, because it is here and NOT going away.
Will anyone be surprised when it is 15 year olds driving these cars?
Chris
If they get any slower, you might just see that. Problem is we're getting to the point where the possible fitness of the drivers is coming in to it so for them to get younger we'd need some seriously fit kids.
From the caption competition:
Belatti wrote:*Martin Whitmarsh showing Coulthard, Newey, Horner and Brundle the McLaren Technologies Centre*
"And here you can see the new generation of F1 drivers, practicing in the simulator we stole from Ferrari. This is the kid that will replace Lewis in 2018"
guy_smiley wrote:
p.s. one could argue that Sutil had a better drive than Hamilton at Monaco--Hamilton made a mistake, smacked the barrier and escaped without the suspension breaking which would have retired him. The only mistake Sutil made was being in front of Kimi at the restart...
Funny that, Alonso did the same thing, where's his criticism
donskar wrote:
IMHO he is the only driver out there who might be able to challenge some of M Schu's records and - as someone else pointed out - he will be the victim of love-hate, even as Schu was.
Are you sure? Fernando dethroned Schu twice when Schu was near his prime. He has the youngest pole sitter, youngest winner, youngest WC, youngest defender of WC, already has numerous poles and wins. He lost a title like Prost Who did it twice) by 1 point. He is much closer than anyone to rewriting the record books. And Fernando can rewrite them such that only Vettel is young enough to come close. Fernando's 2003 Malaysian pole was when he was 21 years old. At his present pace he can easily eclipse Schu if he gets in the right car. Presently he is way ahead of Schu for his age. I am not his greatest fan either. But this is written to give your wild statement perspective.
Innovation over refinement is the prefered path to performance. -- Get rid of the dopey regs in F1
guy_smiley wrote:No Alonso criticism because you said this:
JamesS wrote:
But if I hear any one criticise Hamilton about his driving ever again, I am going to --- on their face.
And not this: But if I hear any one criticise Alonso about his driving ever again, I am going to --- on their face...
You missed the point.
Hamilton did the same, but Hamilton is one who receives criticism, despite winning! "Oh, he only won because he hit the barrier and changed to the right pit stop strategy".
Coulthard has crashed nearly every race, where's the Coulthard bashing? Or is he off limits because he's the old man of F1?
James, critics are according to expectations. No one will go and critic Coulthard if he makes a mistake cause nobody expect much more from him.
Critics are according to media coverage, too. If everybody talks about something, theres a % of probabilities to talk good or bad about it.
I suggest you don´t care much about critics, unless they are from specialized people in the F1 ambient who knows what are they talking about.
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Belatti wrote:
I suggest you don´t care much about critics, unless they are from specialized people in the F1 ambient who knows what are they talking about.
Oh I know that. This is a forum dedicated to F1. There should be a modicum of intelligence / understanding of F1. But alas, there isn't.
There was quite a lot of Coulthard bashing when he crashed so regularly in the first few races. IIRC.
I don't really want to get involved in these discussions as I'm here for F1 TECHNICAl stuff. I talk about this down the pub with a pint enough already
I do think that it is obvious that opinions on people change with the wind direction. The media needs to sell papers/adverts on their tv station/clicks on web ads somehow, and creating huge stories out of minor incidents is the way they do this. I'd suggest that incidents in F1 related to drivers either on or off the track have always occurred with about the same regularity throughout its history. The only thing that has changed is the way in which the media cover it.
All the drivers in F1 are highly skilled at their jobs, and that is the reason they are there. I think the level of competition for places in F1 proves this. I may well have opinions about how people have performed relative to their ability and the machinery they've got to work with, but I'm pretty sure I'm never going to convince anyone else to think the same. That's why in general I stick to the threads about scientific fact
I appreciate and agree with your position, bazanaius.
Although I am not directly exposed to the British media, and especially the tabloids, I can view them at the newstands or the internet. So I have a wee bit of understanding how they operate. And wow, anything to make a story. No one is safe, no one is above criticism, and it appears that anytime any celebrity makes a mistake, the tabloids make it appear as horrific and sensational. And then of course, there's this relatively new phenomena called the internet. Sudenly fans anywhere can discuss and exchange opinions about the racing world. Sadly, due to the nature of how well anonymity can be maintained, people can get away with rude and inappropriate behavior. That leads to name-calling, anger, and all kinds of nastiness. So even in civilised, moderated forums, crap happens, and it's hard to control.
When I was young (a very long time ago), the only way a fan could get involved or learn about racing was to either be at the track, or read about it in periodicals. But there have been figures much more controversial than Lewis. Heck, he's just a kid trying to race, stumbling and learning as he goes on. Nothing wrong with that, but it's under a microscope. Look at James Hunt, a true party animal, making Kimi look tame. And the conditions under which he won his WDC is still controversial.
These days, some people appear overly sensitive, reacting to the slightest barb or difference of opinion.
Racing will be always controversial, and F1 is not only the peak of driver and technical excellence, it's also the peak of controversy. So get used to it, learn that this happens a lot, and regularly. And don't let the trolls get to you.
Personally, I spend very little time involved in the non-technical aspects of racing, and this forum. I'd rather spend some quality time examining blueprints or pictures, or learning technical aspects from many of the wonderful contributers in this forum.
Racing should be decided on the track, not the court room.
JamesS wrote:
You missed the point...Coulthard has crashed nearly every race, where's the Coulthard bashing?
Come on man, Coulthard was criticized for his crashes, Raikkonen was criticized for slamming into Sutil, Massa was criticized for his spins in Malaysia and Britain, and Domenicalli was criticized for Raikkonen's tyre choice. They all get criticized when they make a mistake.
But in terms of this thread, you specifically mentioned Hamilton, so I responded about Hamilton, you see? Apples to apples as they say...
I have found that every time someone comes along and destroys everyone, all the fanboys of the other F1 drivers take 3 years to deal with it...it will take people loads of time to accept that Hamilton's a freakin genius, because they are too busy watching someone else...one and a half years to go then...
From the caption competition: 
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I laugh in his face.