2018 Hungarian Grand Prix - Hungaroring, 27-29 July

[MtthsMlw]

Already any picture's of how the cars are set-up? Curious to see what Ferrari is doing with the wastegate pipe's and the rear wing

Yesterday they had the normal set up. No pictures of today yet.

[MtthsMlw]

[Morteza]

[Vasconia]

A close battle between Ferrari and Red Bull? I still think that Mercedes Will be closer but its a quite likely scenario.

[matt_b]

Starting to look like Monaco again Red Bull up front with Mercedes and Ferrari batling each other for 3rd-6th. It's just FP1 though.

[Juzh]

FP1

[santos]

A close battle between Ferrari and Red Bull? I still think that Mercedes Will be closer but its a quite likely scenario.

Yeah for now, it seems to be. But Mercedes is didn't run the ultrasofts. Vettel did a lap on 1:17,8 on ultrasofts, with 6 laps on them. That's a bit impressive.

[mkay]

A close battle between Ferrari and Red Bull? I still think that Mercedes Will be closer but its a quite likely scenario.

Yeah for now, it seems to be. But Mercedes is didn't run the ultrasofts. Vettel did a lap on 1:17,8 on ultrasofts, with 6 laps on them. That's a bit impressive.

Not when you consider pole position is over 1.5s quicker than that lap, on harder tyres.

[JPBD1990]

Ferrari is rarely competitive on a Friday, so the fact they’ve come out and been at the top most of the session and ended only slightly behind, I see a Ferrari pole and win this weekend. I think the fight will come from redbull. Despite what I just said, a redbull win wouldn’t surprise me.

I think Mercedes being competitive enough to win here would be the biggest surprise.

[dfegan358]

What is the inherent characteristics of the Mercedes car that makes it less suitable on this track relative to others?

Think it will be close but do suspect a Ferrari v red bull battle for pole.

[F1Krof]

What is the inherent characteristics of the Mercedes car that makes it less suitable on this track relative to others?

Think it will be close but do suspect a Ferrari v red bull battle for pole.

Their low-rake -- long-wheel base makes the car nimble. Especially at the front. That's why we saw Hamilton slide a lot, because they had to run maximum front downforce, but since the car is lazy (understeery) at the front, they have to run slightly less downforce at the rear to make car rotate easier. But the problem with this setup is that the car is unbalanced, especially on corner exits.

[Sierra117]

What is the inherent characteristics of the Mercedes car that makes it less suitable on this track relative to others?

Think it will be close but do suspect a Ferrari v red bull battle for pole.

Their low-rake -- long-wheel base makes the car nimble. Especially at the front. That's why we saw Hamilton slide a lot, because they had to run maximum front downforce, but since the car is lazy (understeery) at the front, they have to run slightly less downforce at the rear to make car rotate easier. But the problem with this setup is that the car is unbalanced, especially on corner exits.

Won't it be less nimble with a long wheelbase?

[Phil]

As far as I understand, the inherent "problem" (<-- it isn't, just as any concept, there are certain pro's and con's) with the Mercedes concept is that the car is low-rake. Low rake means that the car is very low at the back. Because of this, Mercedes generally have to run a harder suspension because you have less suspension travel. Because of this, the Mercedes struggles more so with traction, perhaps being quicker rear limited under acceleration. A car with a softer suspension is less "jumpy" and can retain better contact on the rears and therefore better traction. It's probably one of the reasons why Mercedes probably struggles more so out of slow corners, perhaps standing starts and on bumpy circuits (street circuits). This could also negatively affect tire performance too.

[F1Krof]

What is the inherent characteristics of the Mercedes car that makes it less suitable on this track relative to others?

Think it will be close but do suspect a Ferrari v red bull battle for pole.

Their low-rake -- long-wheel base makes the car nimble. Especially at the front. That's why we saw Hamilton slide a lot, because they had to run maximum front downforce, but since the car is lazy (understeery) at the front, they have to run slightly less downforce at the rear to make car rotate easier. But the problem with this setup is that the car is unbalanced, especially on corner exits.

Won't it be less nimble with a long wheelbase?

Yeah sorry, I meant the opposite o nimble. I think the word is inept.

[Big Tea]

As far as I understand, the inherent "problem" (<-- it isn't, just as any concept, there are certain pro's and con's) with the Mercedes concept is that the car is low-rake. Low rake means that the car is very low at the back. Because of this, Mercedes generally have to run a harder suspension because you have less suspension travel. Because of this, the Mercedes struggles more so with traction, perhaps being quicker rear limited under acceleration. A car with a softer suspension is less "jumpy" and can retain better contact on the rears and therefore better traction. It's probably one of the reasons why Mercedes probably struggles more so out of slow corners, perhaps standing starts and on bumpy circuits (street circuits). This could also negatively affect tire performance too.

A contributing factor to them locking the inside wheel when weight (should) transfer forward?