Will Electric Vehicles Be Viable? When?

[Big Tea]

This is the Honda bike
They are said to be re-releasing the Cub as electric too. Will defiantly have one
https://m.atcdn.co.uk/ect/media/w900/79 ... 0f7854.jpg I have been waiting for the 'segway revolution' for the last 10 years or more, but it does not seem as if it is happing.

Why does it have an exhaust pipe? 'Safety' resonator?

I was enthralled by that question and had to go digging. apparently it is also available as hybrid wit a 125cc ice, and the pic is of one of these.

https://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-ne ... scoot-sale

[strad]

Got no problem with those kind of scooters for inner city transport. But "Bird" scooters are small little pieces of crap.
Here's one littering Venice California

https://www.bird.co/

[roon]

Of all the things to be upset about in the world, you choose... oddly parked electric scooters. Don't worry, that one just had an AI glitch. It started driving itself back to base before realizing it only had a wheelspeed sensor and GPS.

[Big Tea]

Of all the things to be upset about in the world, you choose... oddly parked electric scooters.

Yeh, you normally see them across a shop door.

[roon]

Obviously the solution is just take it in the shop with you. If the clerks harass you just scoot away at greater than walking speed while telling them it's zero-emissions.

[strad]

Of all the things to be upset about in the world, you choose... oddly parked electric scooters

You obviously don't have the problems they have here with those and the bicycles. They are not just oddly parked.
They get left all over the place like tossed out Starbucks cups. They litter the sidewalks.. People think it's cute to throw them into the bay. They are a real mess. It's why cities all over are talking and in fact and others N.Y. are banning them.
I am glad people where you live are more conscientious.

[AJI]

They are said to be re-releasing the Cub as electric too. Will defiantly have one

The cub looks quite cute. I did some trawling and can't find a release date though… I also noticed that it was originally talked about in 2009 for release in 2010. I wonder what's going on there?

The 2WD version is interesting.

[Big Tea]

They are said to be re-releasing the Cub as electric too. Will defiantly have one

The cub looks quite cute. I did some trawling and can't find a release date though… I also noticed that it was originally talked about in 2009 for release in 2010. I wonder what's going on there?

The 2WD version is interesting.
https://cleantechnica.com/files/2017/06 ... EV-Cub.jpg

They say to 'celibate' the anniversary of the original cub in 1958, so it has to be this year.
Honda made 100million of them and there must be double that amount of knock off's in asia.

interesting forks in that pic, are they leading link, or just shrouded to look original?

[AJI]

They say to 'celibate' the anniversary of the original cub in 1958, so it has to be this year...

...interesting forks in that pic, are they leading link, or just shrouded to look original?

The anniversary might very well be 'celibate' at this rate...
I read something about the Japanese government asking Honda (and presumably all other motor companies) to concentrate on hydrogen rather than electric (I can't find the article, but I'll keep looking), so i guess that has something to do with the 8 year late (and still yet to be confirmed) release date.

Those forks look like leading link, but I've seen other pictures where there is no front motor and they look like upside down telescopic, so, who knows? The electric cub looks very much like a proto at this stage. I don't expect it to be released this year.

[loner]

Scientists create battery that refuels electric cars in seconds
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-45179722

New battery tech ‘could recharge EVs in seconds, not hours
https://www.energylivenews.com/2018/08/ ... not-hours/

https://www.nanoflowcell.com/

there should be alot of breakthrough in battery techs in the coming few years

I read something about the Japanese government asking Honda (and presumably all other motor companies) to concentrate on hydrogen rather than electric

The problem had been the transportation of hydrogen because it is so volatile it just tends to explode. The CSIRO researchers had an idea of turning it into ammonia, NH3, which is an easy enough process. What this announcement is really saying is: Breakthrough in Membrane Technology.
The proprietary membrane converts ammonia back to hydrogen. In essence, they are taking solar and wind energy, using it to create hydrogen, which is converted into ammonia, transported anywhere, then the membrane converts it back to hydrogen at a filling station. The hydrogen gets pumped into the vehicle and fuels the vehicle. No petroleum is combusted. No carbon emissions.

CSIRO chief executive Larry Marshall was one of the first to ride in the Toyota Mirai and Hyundai Nexo vehicles powered by ultra-high purity hydrogen, produced in Queensland using CSIRO’s membrane technology.
This technology will pave the way for bulk hydrogen to be transported in the form of ammonia, using existing infrastructure, and then reconverted back to hydrogen at the point of use.
It has the potential to fill the gap in the technology chain to supply fuel cell vehicles around the world with low-emissions hydrogen sourced from Australia.
The membrane separates ultra-high purity hydrogen from ammonia, while blocking all other gases.

http://www.ecogeneration.com.au/hydroge ... e-horizon/

[Andres125sx]

I did some work in China a few years ago. Kunming, a 'small' city of only ~6 million.
Every single motor scooter on the road was electric. Literally tens of thousands! I asked a local if I could take one for a spin. I was impressed with the performance. I was also shocked that the western world hasn't picked up on this simple idea.

Agree. Here in Madrid local police use some, but a few percentage.

Electric scooters are the perfect vehicle for a city. Today

I’ve seen some electric ‘Bird Scooters’ popping up in several US cities I visit. Most cities are pushing back and outlawing them. Seems like an excellent idea to me.

I also meant a different scooter, exactly these



But recently they´ve aquired also these wich they say are developed in Spain, with a solar panel for night lights and emergency lights

[Just_a_fan]

Got no problem with those kind of scooters for inner city transport. But "Bird" scooters are small little pieces of crap.
Here's one littering Venice California
http://www.stradsplace.com/photos/bird-scooter.jpg
https://www.bird.co/

I reckon someone should just collect them recycle the bits / sell the bits. Obviously, if they're left lying around like litter then they are litter. Soon see Bird et al trying to sort the issue once their kit is disappearing after a single use.

[strad]

I reckon someone should just collect them recycle the bits / sell the bits.

Nice idea but it would be considered theft.

[djones]

I do not know a lot about this subject and a few things confuse me.

Unless its nuclear, isn't the energy used to create the electric in the first place just as bad as the petrol used in a traditional car?

And is there a big impact on the environment with disposal of the batteries at the end?

And are all the fancy batteries inherently less safe? (i'm thinking fires with lithium ones etc)

[subcritical71]

I do not know a lot about this subject and a few things confuse me.

Unless its nuclear, isn't the energy used to create the electric in the first place just as bad as the petrol used in a traditional car?

And is there a big impact on the environment with disposal of the batteries at the end?

And are all the fancy batteries inherently less safe? (i'm thinking fires with lithium ones etc)

A lot of these concerns are exaggerated and researchers are continually looking for new ways to lessen the impact of Li-Ion batteries. However, with what is available today, almost every report I've read on the subject indicates that EV is cleaner if you look at a cradle to grave analysis.

Check out this article: https://www.ucsusa.org/clean-vehicles/e ... 6kmOmhKiHs

As for batteries being less safe, this is from the NFPA: In 2003-2007, U.S. fire departments responded to an average of 287,000 vehicle fires per year. These fires caused an average of 480 civilian deaths, 1,525 civilian injuries, and $1.3 billion in direct property damage annually.

The fire rate for gasoline vehicles is 55 per 1 billion miles driven. For a Tesla, that rate is 5 per 1 billion miles driven. So you are 11 times more likely to have a vehicle fire in a gasoline powered vehicle but your 100 times more likely to hear about a EV fire on the news - ok, I made that last bolded part up, but it sure seems true.

Batteries can be recycled (and don't have the half life of say, nuclear waste). Even though the batteries may become inefficient for use in a car, they can be repurposed for use in energy storage in small power plants and other purposes before it true end of life. https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/for- ... -recycle/# and https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/for- ... -recycle/#